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Lesson 5: Investment and consumptionInvestment vs. consumption 2
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- I am a dancer(amateur) and sometimes will give performances just for entertaining people. So it seems that what i'm doing in my spare time is worthless? But dancing make me feel happy and i'm willing to spend my time on it. A bit confused.(18 votes)
- Well he's saying that if 200 people's time was used to entertain just 1 person, then that would be a waste since just 1 or 2 dancers could probably have done the same thing. Or he could have used 200 dancers to entertain 1000 people, or whatever. So the manpower of 200 people (200 worth of hours) were used to entertain 1 person for an hour, although that didn't create anything other than to boost his ego or whatever. That's a lot of waste of people's time. And the money got burned because it didn't create anything.
I wouldn't say that it's a waste of time if you dance and that made you and others happy because that would make yourself and others more productive and creative and such. But if it's overdone then recognize that it doesn't actually create anything of value (like hiring 200 people to entertain 1 person). It took 200 worth of hours to entertain 1 person for an hour? That doesn't add up. The money was transferred but it didn't actually create anything of value. People had to dance for his money although they could have done something else that creates something (like maybe building a car or something) to make money instead. The whole thing wasted 200 man-hours to transfer $2000 (or however he spent).(59 votes)
- If I spend my $2000 to buy shares of a publicly traded company, is that consumption or investment? It is certainly referred to as an investment, but I don't see how it increases the total societal wealth.(3 votes)
- etrody: I suggest you watch the video on stocks.
If you buy the stock as part of a company offering, then yes, what you say is true. The company gets the money and can use it to improve itself.
However, in the general case, the owners of the existing shares are probably not the company itself, so you aren't giving money to the company; you're giving some other investor the money and the company doesn't get to do anything with it.
The only way the company could realize tangible benefits from the purchase of the stock is if your purchase caused the stock price to increase and the company wanted to issue additional stock; the increased market price per share could help them justify a higher price per share in the new stock offer.
By the definition given in these two videos on consumption vs investment, I would not consider the stock purchase an investment.
Even by the usual definitions of investment (which only requires a gain to the investor and not to society), purchasing stock is not technically an investment unless you have a justifyable high degree of confidence about the expected gain. Without such justifyable confidence, it would technically be speculation.(9 votes)
- So perhaps we should distinguish between a "good" investment and a "bad" investment.
I would argue that consumption and investment are the same at time of purchase. What differs is how that produces future economic output and this is, obviously, only known in the future. Is consumption, then, the accounting of an investment that didn't pay off?(4 votes)- I'd agree - consumption is an investment with zero return. For example, if it takes 200 dancers to give Bill Gates (or Steve Jobs - whatever) an inspiration to come up with a new product which will generate billions of dollars in wealth for millions of ppl (manufacturing, software design, etc), then those 2K is money well spent. On the other hand, wrestling, soap operas, ultimate fighting, ie, smth that is executed by few, but consumed by many - these are the examples of pure consumption in my opinion (on the part of the 'viewers' of course) - time has been spent with no or minimal benefit (all those examples are purely personal opinion :) ). I'd say soap operas are really at the top of the list.(1 vote)
- ok say i go to disney and spend money you could say that i burned that money talking about in an economic way but wouldnt the money i spend be productive because that money goes throught the workers hands and to the government thru taxes and that would be productive and i was wondering what your thoughts on that is(1 vote)
- Once a labor resource is consumed, its gone for good. There would have been ripples from paying those people no matter what they got paid for. But in paying them to entertain you, you directed their efforts in a way that is not particularly productive, and there's no undoing that.
Look at it this way: I can pay you to dig a hole and fill it back up again, over and over. You can take the money I pay you and pay someone else to dig another hole, over and over. If we all do that, and nothing else, then we accumulate no wealth at all. It doesn't matter that we made lots of ripples; we wasted our labor.
An unfortunate real-life example of this is war: you try to destroy my wealth (and life) and I try to destroy yours. Lots of ripples. Happy defense contractors. Devastating to society. This is why it always bums me out to hear people say that WWII helped the US emerge from the Great Depression. Imagine what could have been done with all that money had it not been necessary to fight a 4-yr global war with it. Imagine what could have been accomplished during the lives of all those lost.(5 votes)
- Another example would be watching videos on the internet. When you watch Sal's videos on Khan Academy it is an investment, however watching cat videos on youtube, that is consumption. Right?(2 votes)
- It could be, I mean maybe your a cat trainer and so watching cat videos could be an "investment" for you.(2 votes)
- Ok, so 200 people dance for you is pure consumption.
How about those same 200 people making a movie? For you and for another 200 million...
A movie about dancing that is an amazing 200mUSD on the first day?
Is that investment? Or 200mUSD of a pure first day consumption?(2 votes) - I get what you're trying to teach about investment vs consumption, but man, you have to pick better examples of things that can't be taken literally. Everyone values money differently so as an educator to come off and be very objective on the value of money, which is very subjective, is taking advantage of that role. Purses? Man I could go on and on about that. A Target purse, while cheap, may last you 6 months of use. Isn't that pretty wasteful then? Is contributing to landfill space good for society? Whereas an LV purse, will probably last two generations of use.
Maybe those 200 people danced and created art and culture. Is that wasteful?(2 votes) - If going on vacation makes you happy and is an investment why wouldn't making your home more comforting and fitting of your style not be an investment? Couldn't one argue that would increase your productivity/overall well being and happiness? Is consumption relative to ones overall monetary worth? What is 200,000 to a billionaire?(2 votes)
- It is arguable. Your argument is based on the assumption that happiness causes one to be more productive. I'm not sure whether that is proven. What is proven, however, is that taking breaks from something increases one's productivity.
Consider it this way - I could invest more money in healthy food for myself, because it will increase my energy, health, and overall well-being to do so. Conversely, I could invest my money in painting my house purple, because I like purple houses and that would also make me happy. One of these things I think would definitively contribute to my productivity by making me less likely to get sick, more energetic, and so on, which are resources I can invest elsewhere, while the other would merely make me happy. Which result is more important depends on what you value more as a person, but from a strictly financial perspective, buying healthier food would be a better investment since I would be getting a return I could then invest in other areas.(2 votes)
- Hello there, I have been consistently, watching videos which may ease my work. Taking about this video, while discussing and distinguishing between a Louis Vuitton purse and a normal purse; how would one calculate the Investment part of the total spending's? Suppose, I have a Blackberry Z10, which is worth $700, a same normal mobile could be bought by me, worth, say, $100. But what about the inflationary pressure on the economy, foreign country's goods and services? One can't judge upon the price and segregate between Investments and Consumption's. That's what I feel. Your view, to the earliest would do me a lot of good! :)(2 votes)
- Investment is something that can potentially make you more money down the line. The purse normally can't. A smartphone can make you more productive, allowing you to earn more, so could be an "investment" if used properly.(1 vote)
- So the Xbox One I bought was a waste of money? The games I got were a waste? The time I spend making YouTube videos with that Xbox One and the games to entertain people is a waste? I'm confused and I feel like I don't do anything worthwhile with my time now. Someone please elaborate on my situation?(1 vote)
- I think you need to make a distinction between personal investment and economic investment. Does making videos make you happy? Do you enjoy playing video games? If yes, then you could call it personal investment. In economic investment, everybody benefits. Someone or some group of people had to put up money to build they factory that makes your Xbox. This factory makes something you can consume and pays people so they may consume as well. This would be economic investment.(2 votes)
Video transcript
Let's continue with this example
and I welcome you to throw examples my way, and we
can think about whether something is consumption
or investment. And my argument, in general,
is that investment is something good for society. It's good for you. It is capital, right? Or money that's being put to
work to create more wealth or more capital or more
good for society. While consumption is capital
that is, essentially, being burned in some way, usually for
some type of social status or ego gratification. Well, let's think about that. What about a going out once a
month-- Let's say a vacation, this is an interesting case. A simple vacation with family. Maybe it's a family reunion,
depending on your family, it might be simple, or it might
be relaxing, it might not. But let's assume this is
a relaxing vacation. You're going camping,
or you're going to Yosemite or something. It's a very peaceful, tranquil
thing to do. So your original gut reaction
would be, well, if we take a vacation, me and my family,
we're going to take time off, we're not going to work,
my kids aren't going to be in school. So you might say, oh, well,
that's consumption because we're going to spend money. Let's say, the vacation
cost $2,000, right? We're spending $2,000
on this vacation. So that might be an investment,
or that might be consumption. So, at first you might say
that's consumption, you're not going to be working. Once you go on that vacation,
there's nothing left over. But there could be a counter
argument here. There could be an argument that,
by taking this simple vacation with the family, it
recenters you, it bonds with your family, it makes you
a happier human being. And it makes you more likely
to be able to contribute to society once you
get back home. And if you didn't take this
vacation, you would eventually burn out. So in this example, and it
depends on what you consider a simple vacation, I would
consider that actually, probably an investment. Especially if it makes you more
relaxed, it eases your brain, it allows you to become
more creative and more productive for society. That could be an investment. That's why I think it's
important that people don't overwork. Now, what if I were to take me
and my family and we were to have someone carry us or we rode
on someone's back as they swam across the ocean to go stay
in golden thrones while an army of people
danced for us. Right? So let's say, an extravagant
vacation. So you could argue a lot of
things, this is, I have a family of four and let's say
it costs me $200,000. Well here, there's
a couple things. There might be some part of this
vacation that makes you more relaxed and might make
you more productive. I'd argue that it is probably
the opposite, the extravagant vacation is probably going to
make you more stressed and probably feed your ego in ways
that are in some ways self-destructive. But let's say that there is some
component, let's stick to the benefit of the doubt,
that does relax you. And I would say that that
component is an investment. But you know what? You probably could have gotten
that for $2,000. So we could say that $2,000
of this is something of an investment and that $198,000
of this probably is consumption. Because it's not making
you more productive. Sure enough, when you go to this
place, it is giving those people something to do and it
is giving them jobs, but I would call that a transfer
of wealth. This isn't investment. When you go to whatever country
you decide to go to and you blow, essentially,
$198,000 that you didn't need to just because it feels good
to have the locals dote on you, you're transferring
money to them. And then, maybe, they transfer
that money to someone else, but it in no way is increasing
the wealth of the world. It's not leading to innovation;
it's not leading to more factories; and
it's not leading to the pie getting bigger. And you know what? I don't even think this is,
necessarily, a bad idea because, frankly, this is just
the transfer of wealth from someone who needs ego
gratification to a transfer of wealth from someone who's
willing to do fairly simple things to, essentially, take
that wealth from them. But, at the end of the day,
it is consumption. And I think you can imagine,
let's say, a simple purse. My wife goes out and buys
a purse from Target and it costs $20. Is that consumption or is
that an investment? Well, I'd argue that that's
an investment. Maybe her old purse is falling
apart and by having a new purse, maybe it helps her get
a job, be more productive; maybe it helps her get
more organized. So this could be
an investment. And what about a Louis Vuitton--
not to pick on them in particular-- but what about
a Louis Vuitton purse. I don't know how much they--
I don't even know how to spell it. I think these cost upwards
of $2,000, or whatever. Well, this, clearly, is some
form of consumption. You could maybe make some
argument that in certain circles, you could get a job
if you carry around one of these purses. But there's some basic core
value to it that you probably could have gotten with
a simple purse. So that, maybe, is $20
of investment. And then the rest of it, I don't
know, the other $1,980, is consumption. Now, I'll ask you a further
question: do you think that this is bad or good
for society? Well, I'd actually argue that
it's probably neutral for society, because it does look
like a quote, unquote, waste of money, this extra almost
$2,000 that you spent that you really didn't have to, to get
something of fairly basic utility, but that those
resources weren't burned. Those resources went from,
frankly, someone who just wanted some ego gratification. It went from someone's
ego, essentially. So let's say this is
you, or your ego. And this is Louis Vuitton,
the company. So you gave them $1,980 that
you didn't have to. Their cost of making the purse
probably didn't cost a lot more than that simple purse. And in exchange, they gave
you ego gratification. So they really didn't have to
waste a lot of resources. They gave you all of this brand
imagery that makes you feel better about yourself. So I would argue that this
capital actually didn't get lost, it just got transferred
from someone who was probably a little insecure to someone
who knows how to sell to insecure people. And then Louis Vuitton will then
have that $1,980 and then who knows, maybe they give that
to their private equity friend or their venture capital
friend, and then that gets invested in some new
start-up idea, some solar-cell company that actually can create
energy from the sun. And in which case, that money
did not go wasted. So they might actually
invest it in solar. So this, actually, was
not a waste of money. Although, this transaction, I
would agree, is consumption. I would say that the waste
of money is all of the advertising and all the
sponsorship that Louis Vuitton has to do to convince you that
this will make you, somehow, a better person if you
buy that purse. Because those ads you see on TV
with those people you want to look like, that will not
give you-- that is not creating any net wealth for the
world, or is not making the pie any bigger. Anyway, let me think of
another example here. Well, let's say, so this example
with the Louis Vuitton purse, this is just a
transfer of wealth. But let's say, instead of doing
that, you had your ego and instead of buying a Louis
Vuitton purse, you just-- so this is you-- you thought it
would be nice-- but let's say, you thought it was nice, instead
of buying a Louis Vuitton purse, which we
established would just be a transfer of wealth-- it is
consumption, but at least that money doesn't disappear-- let's
say that you wanted to pay $2,000 to have-- I don't
know-- $10 an hour, you can have 200 people dance for you
and recite your name and talk about what an amazing
person you are. This, I would argue, is
pure consumption. Because those 200 people, sure
this money gets transferred to them, but they didn't
do anything productive with that time. Right? Those 200 people, they could
have been tilling the soil; they could have been working in
a factory; they could have been teaching their children how
to read; they could have been doing something that was
productive for society. But instead, they spent one hour
dancing for you for your ego gratification. And this is, in my mind, the
worst form of consumption because, not only-- it's not
just the transfer of wealth, it is the destruction
of wealth. Because 200 people's time is
wealth, that is capital that could be used to improve
someone's life. But instead, this $2,000 was,
essentially destroyed. Sure, it goes to those
people, right? But in the end, they didn't
create anything in that amount of time. And I'll touch more
about that anyway. In essence, the amount of money
didn't change in the system, but the amount of
value in the system got degraded because all these
people time got wasted. And, In the end, that actually
leads to inflation. If you have more money in a
system with less productive goods and services, the price
for our productive goods and services goes up. But anyway, I'm out
of time again. But I encourage you to think as
much as you can about just this idea: when you spend money,
is it consumption or is it investment? And I'll continue this more into
kind of a lot of what the government tells you to do when
the economy goes down. How they say, go by yourself a
nice dress, instead of saying, hey why don't you go
build a factory? Or why don't you save your
money and invest in your child's education? Anyway, see you in
the next video.