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Guercino, Saint Luke Displaying a Painting of the Virgin

Guercino, St. Luke Displaying a Painting of the Virgin, oil on canvas, 1652-53 (Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art, Kansas City). Created by Beth Harris and Steven Zucker.

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  • purple pi purple style avatar for user Keith
    What evidence is there that Luke was a painter? It sounds like it may have been Catholic propaganda to help their cause since the Protestants like Luke because he was a writer and they were against painting of religious iconography in general.
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    • leafers ultimate style avatar for user Danielle Koch
      To my understanding, none at all. There is also no evidence that he was a writer except that a gospel was attributed to him (by the same Church at an earlier date).

      Information about ancient people is almost always second-hand, and the veracity of such accounts is always (and should be) subject to continuous evaluation.
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  • female robot grace style avatar for user schmicker1
    Why is the bull (ox) the symbol of Saint Luke?
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    • leaf blue style avatar for user Matthew Daly
      Revelations 4:6-8 describes four creatures at the throne of God -- a winged man, a winged lion, a winged ox, and an eagle -- which is also imagery that comes from an earlier vision from the prophet Ezekiel. By tradition, Catholics associate these four animals as symbols of the authors of the four Gospels. If you've been watching through the Art History playlist, you may recall previous times where an eagle was associated with St. John and a winged man with St. Matthew, which comes from this same source.
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  • leaf blue style avatar for user Matthew Daly
    The painting describes St. Luke painting in a decidedly pre-Baroque style with the thick halos and lack of action. Is Guercino recreating a specific Madonna and Child painting there, or is it just a vague claim that this would have been the artistic style of the first century (which, of course, it wasn't).
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    • female robot grace style avatar for user Inger Hohler
      Possibly he simply wants the picture to look old fashioned, without saying anything specific about art around the time of Christ. If you have not seen many, or any, images of early Christian art, you cannot try to reproduce it. Any producer of historical films or artist illustrating historical situations will have to make hints that people would understand as referencing the past, both because they will not known, and because the viewers might not even understand a more accurate depiction!
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  • blobby green style avatar for user Philippos
    The whole discussion about the use of religious depiction and images in faith is so reminiscent of the Byzantine Iconoclasm (two periods) during the 8th century within the Eastern Orthodox Church and Byzantine Empire!
    I believe that a comparison between the two could prove fruitful and quite a few parallels could be drawn, especially regarding the later use of iconography for dogmatic and educational purposes in both the RomeoCatholic and the Byzantine church (after the 7th Ecumenical Council in particular).
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  • aqualine ultimate style avatar for user Rebecca Hammond
    What makes this painting baroque, besides when it was created? It doesn't look anything like the other baroque paintings we've studied so far. No tenebrism or big emotions or drama. I wouldn't put this in the same category as Caravaggio or Gentileschi.
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  • leaf orange style avatar for user Jeff Kelman
    Was St. Luke martyred and if so, how?
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  • male robot hal style avatar for user Willem Heijboer
    Protestants and Catholics are obviously themes here, so I'm wondering.. when and why did Christianity kind of 'split up' in these two and to what extent does this influence people's lives?
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    • duskpin ultimate style avatar for user Harriet Buchanan
      The original question asked to what extent does the split influence people's lives. I'd say the greatest difference has to do with Catholics going to Confession and telling the priest what sins they have committed since their last confession. The priest may tell them to do some type of penance, such as saying repetitions of "Hail Marys", and then being forgiven. I'm not a Catholic, but I believe each parishioner must do this before receiving the Eucharist (body and blood of Christ) and absolutely before they die to reduce their time in Purgatory.

      Protestants have various ways of handling "sins", but there is no requirement to confess. Usually there must be a heart-felt repentance and change of behavior, but it is between the individual and God, sometimes through Christ's help. What happens to the individual's soul after death is probably of some disagreement among the various sects. Unlike Catholicism, Protestants generally believe they can be saved by faith alone. There are many Protestant sects, and I'm sure I've left out some of their differences.
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Video transcript

Male voiceover: Well, here we are looking at Guercino's painting of St. Luke painting the Virgin and Child, or St. Luke at the easel. This is an interesting painting to talk about from several respects. Female voiceover: Luke was one of the four evangelists - Matthew, Mark, Luke and John [unintelligible]. Male voiceover: He was one of the four evangelists writing one of the four gospels that makes up the Christian Bible. Female voiceover: But, he was also a painter. Male voiceover: He was also believed to be a painter and Christians of the time, and some today, believe that he had actually painted first-hand images of Christ and the Virgin Mary. So he, for that reason, is also the patron saint of artists, because he was mostly known as being an evangelist, but he was also thought of as being a painter [unintelligible]. Female voiceover: Yeah, you know it makes me think about the whole Christian tradition of making images, and this desire to have the image connect directly to Christ and the apostles, and to marry and not to have any distance between the image and the reality. Male voiceover: Absolutely. This painting is interesting from that respect, in that it shows Luke as an artist. We also see in the background this inkwell with the [unintelligible] bowl, that is the allegorical symbol for St. Luke, sitting on top of a book, which we have to assume is the Gospel of St. Luke, one of the books of the Bible. It shows him in this dual respect, and in that sense, it's almost a rather traditional representation of St. Luke. It's also interesting, because we could talk about this as a very good example of a Baroque painting from the 17th century - this is from the 1650s - because as in other Baroque paintings that had started developing in the late 1500s, we have very naturalistic figures, a sense of classisizing figures, and architecture and clothing. Everything is relatively simple. There's not a lot of things going on in the painting. We have large figures in the foreground. There's not a lot of distracting things in the background. There's a rational sense of space, and depth, and light and so on. For all these respects, formally speaking, it's a pretty traditional Baroque painting. Female voiceover: Right, that makes sense. Male voiceover: What's maybe most interesting about this painting is how we can also think of it, to a certain extent, as a Counter-Reformation painting. Female voiceover: Sort of reaffirming the importance of images for the church? Male voiceover: Absolutely. For the Catholic church, we can think of this painting as a response that the Catholics are giving toward the Protestant Reformation. For many decades at this point, for over a hundred years, the Protestant church, especially in northern Europe, had been criticizing the Catholics for many aspects of their devotion and religious practice. One of the main targets of the Protestant critics was religious art. Female voiceover: In fact, religious images were being destroyed in Protestant countries. Male voiceover: In some parts, they were going around tearing paintings down, gouging out sculptures' eyes, smashing and destroying things. Female voiceover: Destroying images of saints. Male voiceover: Exactly, because generally speaking, the criticism was that art was not good, according to the Protestants, for religious purposes, because it was distracting. You would be distracted by the artist's skill, or the beauty of the painting, or the eroticism of the figures. Female voiceover: You could even be fooled into worshiping the image iteself instead of the ideas behind the image. Male voiceover: The Protestants said that was a great, great danger, that you could be so astounded by a painting by Leonardo that you would end up worshiping the image more than the message was trying to convey. Female voiceover: That does happen. Male voiceover: Absolutely. Female voiceover: People worship images and think that they have magical powers. Male voiceover: Rather than images, the Protestants had said the primary focus of your devotion, the primary tool for devotion and religious meditation, should instead be text, the word of the actual Bible itself. Female voiceover: Just saying that, in and of itself, is an attack on the church, because one of the things that they were saying was that the church, in all of its practices and rituals, had gotten away from what Christ actually wrote in the Bible, and encouraged a going back and a close reading of the real text, not just listening to the words of the priest and the practices of the church. Male voiceover: Right, saying that the authority was the text itself. It was written about Christ, rather than ... Female voiceover: The Pope. Male voiceover: [Unintelligible] archbishop telling you what to think. Female voiceover: It was a pretty radical thing to say. Male voiceover: It was very radical. That's why they got in so much trouble. Female voiceover: Big trouble. Male voiceover: In any case, after decades of this Protestant criticiism, and the Protestant churches - the Lutherans, the Calvinists, and so on - are growing stronger and stronger. The Catholic church needed to formulate its response beginning in the mid-1500s, and this is the period known as the Counter-Reformation. One of the things that the Catholics do in the Counter-Reformation ... Female voiceover: The Counter-Reformation means against the Reformation. Male voiceover: Exactly. It's the Catholic response to the Protestant Reformation. Some people even call it the Catholic Reformation, rather than the Protestant Reformation. One of the main points of the Catholic Counter-Reformation is that they're justifying the use of art. They're saying that art is an important religious tool, and one of the most straightforward reasons that they claimed it was, was that, of course, even though literacy had grown tremendously, still most people did not know how to read. The Catholics respond to the Protestants, "How can we tell people that the Bible is their main devotional tool if they can't even read, and if books are still relatively rare objects?" Instead, they say - Catholics - that religious images, altar pieces in churches, devotional images in your house, these are more useful than books because everyone can understand what they're about. They're immediately accessible. You don't have to know how to read and, as some people still say today, a picture can be worth a thousand words. You can communicate things with images that are impossible to communicate with written words on the page. Here in this painting, what we have is not only a celebration of a painter - St. Luke, according to Catholic belief - but this is really a very pointed, a very rhetorical defense of painted religious images, and it even suggests that painting is even more important than the written word. Let's talk about how we see that in this painting. Of course, we have St. Luke sitting at the easel with his palette and brushes. Look how he turns, looks at the viewer and gestures towards his painting of the Virgin and Child, as if to say, "Look at what I'm doing. "This is what I'm painting." In the background, we have an angel looking over his shoulder, looking pleasantly at the painting, representing Divine approvation, as if God and the angels in Heaven ... Female voiceover: [Unintelligible] him to ... Male voiceover: Looking on approvingly, as St. Luke is painting this painting. Female voiceover: Just like God inspired the gospels, so God inspired the painting [unintelligible]. Male voiceover: Absolutely, or at least approves of them. Then, what else do we see in the painting? Remember, of course, in a Baroque painting, nothing is included accidentally or for no reason. When we look over at the right side, as we mentioned, there's this inkwell and the book. Female voiceover: But, he's turned his back on them. Male voiceover: The pen is in the inkwell. The book is closed. There's this weight on top of it, and as you said, he's literally turned his back on the written word in order to focus on the painting. Female voiceover: When you look at this, and you think, "Mary and the Christ child "in this devotional image to inspire prayer", and you think, "Which is going to inspire prayer? "This?" Male voiceover: Right. Female voiceover: Well, this works for me. Male voiceover: Exactly, it's a very, very rhetorical image. We need to understand this painting in terms of the dialogue, the conflict, between the Protestants and the Catholics, in terms of the Protestants saying, "Focus on the text," and the Catholics defending the use of images. We should also add that the Protestants liked St. Luke quite a lot, even though generally, they were a little bit averse to the cult of saints. They did like St. Luke, as well as the other evangelists, because he was a writer. Here we have the Catholics celebrating him as a painter. It's as if they're saying, "Look, Protestants, you like St. Luke. "You think he's a great hero because he was a writer, "but he was also a painter and therefore, you cannot criticize painting," ... Female voiceover: You deny the power [unintelligible]. Male voiceover: Because one of the great heroes of the church was a painter, and made religious images according to their belief. Female voiceover: It's the church continually needing to justify, throughout its history at different moments, the use of images and their power. Male voiceover: Absolutely. Female voiceover: This image just speaks to that so perfectly. Male voiceover: It's a very good example of that.