(piano playing) Dr. Zucker: We're in the
Louve and we're looking at a large altar panel
by Giotto of St. Francis. It's a really spectacular painting. Dr. Harris: It is, it
shows St. Francis receiving the Stigmata from Christ
who appeared to him in the form of a Seraphim. What's striking is that
this is not St. Francis in a very iconic frontal way. Dr. Zucker: As we might have expected in a more Medieval tradition. Dr. Harris: Exactly. Instead Francis is kneeling,
he's in a naturalistic landscape or at the
beginnings, we could say, of a naturalistic landscape. As he receives the stigmata
he looks up in wonder and awe and confusion,
and even some anxiety, I think. Dr. Zucker: A little fear there, right? Dr. Harris: Yeah. Dr. Zucker: But they
are very human emotions. It's really an expression
of, you're right, not an eternal iconic image, but rather of a moment
of a man responding. Dr. Harris: And his body is rendered naturalistically, too. We have modeling, so we see the folds in the drapery, we see his left knee, his right knee folded under him, the modeling in his hands where we see the stigmata, modeling in his face. So he really seems like
this folky three dimensional presence, really different from the flat, transcendent figures of
only a little bit earlier. Dr. Zucker: And actually
other artists that are still painting. I want to go back to that point you made a moment ago of the naturalistic landscape because this is certainly not naturalism as we would expect now
in the 21st Century, but it is, at the very beginning of the 14th or at the very end
of the 13th Century, quite an extraordinary
innovation to place this really physical figure
as you had described him in an environment with
trees, with mountain. Dr. Harris: Clearly his
scale doesn't match the building and the trees,
but there's an effort here by Giotto to place him on earth, not just in a heavenly space. Dr. Zucker: We see this
extraordinary gold filled background, the light of Heaven pours down and we see that literally
in the divine rays that go from the Seraphim from Christ down to Francis, down to
his feet, to his hands and to the wound in his side; this gift from Heaven
for his faithfulness. It's important to remember that Francis was a mendicant, a
beggar, that he'd given up his worldly possessions
and like the Dominican's, the Franciscan's would renounce worldly possessions in honor of Christ. Initially there are some
reports that the church was not sure that it wanted to accept St. Francis' ideas. The predella below is
important because it shows very much the acceptance of Francis. Dr. Harris: So, we have
these three scenes below in the predella showing
Pope Innocent III vision of Francis supporting a church, the next of blessing that
order of the followers of St. Francis, the Franciscan's and then St. Francis
preaching to the birds. Dr. Zucker: Those are all
really interesting stories. This dream of the Pope, this great miracle in which he dreamt that Francis was not only supporting a
church, but was supporting a church that was falling down. It's crucial allegory,
of course, or metaphor. The acceptance of Francis,
this central scene, very, very important;
literally the embrace of the church to this mendicant order. Dr. Harris: Legitimizing. Dr. Zucker: That's right,
absolutely legitimizing and if you think about it for a moment, the mendicant's did
represent a kind of threat. The church was a very wealthy institution, it was a very powerful institution, and here were these followers of Christ saying, Christ preached
poverty, I'm taking that on. For the church to embrace that was a very important step. Then, of course, on the
right this relationship between Francis and nature. Francis living in the desert
or living in the wilderness having this direct
relationship with all of God's creation is placed here, One of the reasons that
Francis is often linked to sort of ecological movements and often seen a patron of nature. Dr. Harris: I love the way he reaches out toward the animals, the
way that the figures are it's very stark against
that gold background. So there's this Heavenly realm, but simultaneously in an earthly realm. It seems to me that
Giotto has united both. Dr. Zucker: There's a
simplicity to Giotto's work that includes a kind
of emotional directness that I think has made
his work seem incredibly authentic for many, many years. Artists are constantly looking back to the so called Italian
Primitives for that sort of direct vision and here we have it at it's most beautiful. (piano playing)