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### Course: Differential Calculus > Unit 3

Lesson 8: Differentiation using multiple rules- Differentiating using multiple rules: strategy
- Differentiating using multiple rules: strategy
- Applying the chain rule and product rule
- Applying the chain rule twice
- Derivative of eᶜᵒˢˣ⋅cos(eˣ)
- Derivative of sin(ln(x²))
- Differentiating using multiple rules
- Product rule to find derivative of product of three functions

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# Differentiating using multiple rules: strategy

How to analyze the structure of an elaborate expression do determine which derivative rules to use, and (not less important) in what order.

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- In the second expression d/dx [sin(x^2 + 5) cos (x)] , wouldn't sin(x^2+5) be a composite function with sin (x) be the outer and x^2 + 5 being the inner functions?(11 votes)
- Yep, Sal even mentions that you would have to solve that part -- if you were actually trying to, for this video only talks about the strategy -- using the chain rule. So you're absolutely right.(18 votes)

- Is the actual solution to the first problem the following?

cos((x^2+5)(cos (x))[2x cos(x)-(x^2+5)sin(x)

I know solutions are not really the point of this video, but I appreciate all the practice I can get(8 votes)- That's right! I got that answer and thought "No way this is right lol it's way too complex...", so I went to an online calculator and it gave me the same answer! Congrats!(7 votes)

- If a function is the product of two quotients, where would you start? Would it be enough to just do the product rule?(3 votes)
- What you could do is rewrite the function as a single quotient and then use the quotient rule.(7 votes)

- Conceptually i'm comfortable but I am having a computing issue with a practice question. It's not related to multiple rule differentiation, so someone can remove if it shouldn't belong here.

We are doing product rule on three expressions and after differentiating, wind up with this. 2⋅csc(x)⋅sec(x)+2x−csc(x)cot(x)⋅sec(x)+2x⋅csc(x)⋅sec(x)tan(x)

Fine. No problem. But it ends up simplifying to this:

2.csc(x)sec(x)−2x.csc^2(x)+2x.sec^2(x)

Where did the cot(x) and tan(x) disappear to? I realize this is a trig question and probably a very stupid one, but it's driving me bananas.(3 votes)- Using the trig definitions, cot(x) = cos(x)/sin(x) and sec(x) = 1/cos(x). Using this we can simplify the third term, -csc(x)
**cot(x)*sec(x).**(1/sin(x))*sec(x)*(sin(x)/cos(x))

-csc(x)*cot(x)*sec(x)

= -csc(x)*(cos(x)/sin(x))*(1/cos(x))

= -csc(x)*(1/sin(x))

= -csc(x)*csc(x)

= -csc^2(x)

We also know that tan(x) = sin(x)/cos(x) and csc(x) = 1/sin(x). We can use this to simplify the final term, 2x*csc(x)*sec(x)*tan(x).

2x*csc(x)*sec(x)*tan(x)

= 2x

= 2x*sec(x)*(1/cos(x))

= 2x*sec(x)*sec(x)

= 2x*sec^2(x)

(I apologize for the formatting, but I cannot seem to fix the bold text.)(6 votes)

- d\dx (3x² · √̅5̅x̅+̅3̅ According to Sal, you start from the outside, which would be the product rule. f´(x)g(x) + f(x)g´(x).

= (6x · √̅5̅x̅+̅3̅ )+3x²/2√̅5̅x̅+̅3̅.

Then for the inner part, use the chain rule which is f´(g(x))g´(x).

=(1/2√̅5̅x̅+̅3̅ )(5).

Will somebody please take a minute and tell me if I got it right, so far? I didn't include the 3x² in the chain rule part. Not too sure about it, and the videos up to now don't elaborate on it.(1 vote)- That is almost correct. The correct derivative would be 6x√(5x + 3) + 15x²/2√(5x + 3).

The application of the product rule and chain rule were both correct. However, in your final answer, you forgot to multiply by 5, the "g'(x)" in the chain rule. Hope that I helped.(7 votes)

- erm..what the sigma? how do you know if a function is f(g(h(x))) or just f(h(x) and do you apply the chain rule twice when differentiating the former function?(2 votes)
- It takes practice, but eventually, you'll be able to quickly see how many functions are being composed. Something like (sin(tan(ln(x^2)))))^2 is a composition of five functions. Once you get the hang of it, you'll be able to it quickly. For multiple compositions, yes, you would apply the chain rule multiple times. The function I wrote requires five iterations of the chain rule, equal to the number of composed functions.(1 vote)

- for the 1st case, we can also firstly simplify

(x^2+5)(cos x) to

(cos x)*x^2 + 5cos x,

and then solve it, right?(1 vote)- Yep. That works too. Don't forget the sine at the front though!(3 votes)

- Before watching the video I attempted to determine which strategy I'd use first. I would have used the product rule then chain rule in the first expression and vice versa for the second expression. Is there an "order of operations" here? Does it matter which rule I apply first, second, etc.?(1 vote)
- In general, identifying which rule to differentiate depends entirely on the expression itself. However, you can narrow down which options you should differentiate with by asking a couple of questions:

- Is there a need to use the product, chain, or even quotient rule?

- Is there an expression within an expression that needs to be derived? How might certain rules come into play in different scenarios like this one?

Similar to previous math courses you might have taken, "practice makes perfect." Over time, you should be able to determine what strategies work best for each expression with more speed and accuracy. Best of luck!(2 votes)

- this is so confusing! does this type of question appears on the AP Calc AB exam?(1 vote)
- Yes of course, differentiating is a key topic of calculus lol

In this video, Sal simply gave some strategy on what rule to apply for different expressions, but if you can find a way to do it yourself, just skip this(2 votes)

- In one of the exercise solutions, the expression sqrt(2x^2) becomes 4x^2. That's the only difference between on line of the solution and the next. How?(1 vote)
- You don't seem to have written the full question.(1 vote)

## Video transcript

- [Instructor] So I have two
different expressions here that I wanna take the derivative of. And what I want you to
do is pause the video and think about how you
would first approach taking the derivative of this expression and how that might be
the same or different as your approach in taking the derivative of this expression. The goal here isn't to compute
the derivatives all the way, but really to just think
about how we identify what strategies to use. Okay so let's first tackle this one. And the key when looking
at a complex expression like either of these is
to look at the big picture structure of the expression. So one way to think about it is, let's look at the outside
rather than the inside details. So if we look at the outside here, we have the sine of something. So there's a sine of
something going on here that I'm going to circle in red or in this pink color. So that's how my brain thinks about it. From the outside I'm like okay, big picture I'm taking the sine of some stuff. I might be taking some
stuff to some exponent. In this case, I'm inputting
in a trigonometric expression. But if you have a situation like that, it's a good sign that the chain rule is in order. So let me write that down. So we would wanna use in this case the chain rule, C.R. for chain rule. And how would we apply it? Well we would take the
derivative of the outside with respect to this inside times the derivative of this inside with respect to x. And I'm gonna write it
the way that my brain sometimes thinks about it. So we can write this as the derivative with respect to that something, and I'm just gonna make that pink circle for the something rather
than writing it all again, of sine of that something, sine of that something, not even thinking about what
that something is just yet, times, times the derivative with respect to x of that something. This is just an application of the chain rule. No matter what was here in this pink colored circle, it might have been
something with square roots and logarithms and whatever else, as long as it's being
contained within the sine, I would move to this step. The derivative with
respect to that something of sine of that something times the derivative with
respect to x of the something. Now what would that be
tangibly in this case? Well this first part, I will do it in orange, this first part would just be cosine of x squared plus five times cosine of x. So that's that circle right over there. Let me close the cosine right over there. And then times the
derivative with respect to x, times the derivative with respect to x, of all of this again, of x squared plus five times cosine of x. And then I would close my brackets. And of course I wouldn't be done yet, I have more derivative taking to do. Here now I would look at the big structure of what's going on, and I have two expressions
being multiplied. I don't have just one big expression that's being an input into like a sine function
or cosine function or one big expression that's
taken to some exponent. I have two expressions being multiplied. I have this being multiplied by this. And so if I'm just
multiplying two expressions, that's a pretty good clue
that to compute this part, I would then use the product rule. And I could keep doing
that and compute it, and I encourage you to do so, but this is more about the strategies and how do you recognize them. But now let's go to the other example. Well this looks a lot more like this step of the first problem than the beginning of the original problem. Here I don't have a
sine of a bunch of stuff or a bunch of stuff being
raised to one exponent. Here I have the product of two expressions just like we saw over here. We have this expression being multiplied by this expression. So my brain just says okay
I have two expressions, then I'm going to use the product rule. Two expressions being multiplied, I'm going to use the product rule. If it was one expression being divided by another expression, then I
would use the quotient rule. But in this case it's going
to be the product rule. And so that tells me that this is going to be the
derivative with respect to x of the first expression, just gonna do that with the orange circle, times the second expression, I'm gonna do that with the blue circle, plus the first expression,
not taking its derivative, the first expression, times the derivative with respect to x of, of the second expression. Once again here, this is just the product rule. You can substitute sine
of x squared plus five where you see this orange circle, and you can substitute cosine of x where you see this blue circle. But the whole point here
isn't to actually solve this or compute this, but really to just show how you identify the
structures in these expressions to think about well do I
use the chain rule first and then use the product rule here? Or in this case do I use
the product rule first? And even once you do this, you're not going to be done. Then to compute this derivative, you're going to have
to use the chain rule, and you'll keep going until
you don't have any more derivatives to take.