- Formal definition of the derivative as a limit
- Formal and alternate form of the derivative
- Worked example: Derivative as a limit
- Worked example: Derivative from limit expression
- Derivative as a limit
- The derivative of x² at x=3 using the formal definition
- The derivative of x² at any point using the formal definition
- Finding tangent line equations using the formal definition of a limit
- Limit expression for the derivative of function (graphical)
The derivative of x² at x=3 using the formal definition
Sal finds the limit expression for the derivative of f(x)=x² at the point x=3 and evaluates it. Created by Sal Khan.
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- I don't understand why a derivative is written as F'(x). Why is that the notation we use? Thanks for any help!(19 votes)
- Simple notation:
1. Lagrange introduced the prime notation f'(x). We use it because is one of the most common modern notations and is most useful when we wish to talk about the derivative as being a function itself.
2. Newton introduced the dot notation ẏ, used in physics to denote time derivatives.
3. Leibniz introduced the Leibniz's notation dy/dx, useful for partial differentiation, and
4. Euler introduced the Euler's notation which uses a differential operator Df(x) useful for solving linear differential equations.(54 votes)
- Aren't we looking for the limit as x approaches 3 ???(19 votes)
- No, because we want to find the derivative, or the limit as Δx approaches zero.(25 votes)
- What is the use of a derivative? Any real-life applications?(10 votes)
- The most obvious application quoted is usually for Speed, Acceleration and Distance. They are all derivatives/integrals of each other. E.g. Acceleration is the derivative of Speed.
However there are any number of possibilities since it can be applied to pretty much anything where an analysis of a rate of change is helpful. Actually calculating a best fit function in the first place is an expertise in itself though.(24 votes)
- At6:25, Sal simplifies (6(delta)x + (delta)x^2)/(delta)x to 6+(delta)x. However, later he substitutes (delta)x for 0 to get a slope of 6. If he'd put that in the original expression it would have been division by 0. Why does this work? Aren't you not allowed to divide by 0?(12 votes)
- That's not exactly what he does. He makes dx very very very small, but not zero. Close to zero, but not zero.
6+0.0000000000000000000000001 is pretty close to 6, and the smaller you make dx the less significant it gets. It will not become exactly zero, but it will become so small that we can ignore it.(9 votes)
- so a derivative is a function that shows the slope of the original function (curve) ?(9 votes)
If f'(x) is the derivative of the original function f(x).
Then, as you said, f'(x) would be the slope of the function f(x) at the point x.
f'(5) = 2 would mean that the slope of f(x) at the point x=5 is 2.(5 votes)
- I keep seeing the term "limit of difference quotient" in my worksheets. Is this just another term for what this video uses or is it an entirely separate concept?(4 votes)
- Indeed it is the same thing. The difference quotient (in calculus) is used to refer to the slope between two points, the average rate of change between two points, rise over run, ∆y/∆x, or whatever other name you might have for it. The limit of the difference quotient then becomes the instantaneous rate of change aka the derivative.(4 votes)
- Hey, we can solve a curve using a tangent line. Why use a secant line then?(5 votes)
- I think it's because we get the idea of a tangent line from a secant line which intersect with the curve.(2 votes)
- So we can write f'(x) as dy/dx?(4 votes)
- yep another way of writing it is d/dx y or the derivative of y with respect to x.
I say that because when you take the derivative of the derivative it can be written as f''(x) or (d^2)y/(dx)^2 because basically you are doing d/dx d/dx y. It might look like things are being multiplied and you'll see that kind of notation used a lot in calculus.
Hopefully that last part made sense, but if not, to make sure I answer your question, Yes those are two ways of writing the derivative.(2 votes)
- Is there also a tangent line on a graph which is periodical? Like cos(x) or sin(x) for example?(2 votes)
- Absolutely. For any f(x), determining f'(x) gives the slope of the tangent line at that point. So there are actually an infinite number of tangent lines on a sinusoidal function. The tangent line at f(0) on a graph of f(x)=cos x would have a slope of zero, and would just be the line y=1. That same line would also be the tangent at f(2pi). At f(pi), the slope is also zero, but at a minima. So there the tangent line is y=(-1). In between the minima and maxima (high and low points where the slope=0) there are an infinite number of tangent lines as the slope continuously changes. Graph a sin wave and move a ruler along it as a tangent line, or take two straightedges and "sandwich" the wave from above and below. Those are both tangent lines. It may help you see it. I know there are many programs that illustrate the concept but, for me anyway, sometimes holding a physical representation helps.(2 votes)
- So how does 6 delta x + delta x ^2 / delta x simplify to 6 + delta x? Shouldn't it be 6 + delta X^2? Or am I missing something? Please help. Thanks.(2 votes)
- When you divide you need to simplify from each term in the numerator. Perhaps it would be easier to visualise if you separate the fraction as the sum of 2 fractions, like this:
( 6∆x + (∆x)^2 ) / ∆x = 6∆x/∆x + (∆x)^2/∆x
And from this is pretty easy to simplify each fraction independently, the ∆x in the first fraction cancel each other leaving the 6 alone; in the second function one of the ∆x in the numerator cancels with one in the denominator, leaving only 1 ∆x:
6 + ∆x(2 votes)
In the last video we tried to figure out the slope of a point or the slope of a curve at a certain point. And the way we did, we said OK, well let's find the slope between that point and then another point that's not too far away from that point. And we got the slope of the secant line. And it looks all fancy, but this is just the y value of the point that's not too far away, and this is just the y value point of the point in question, so this is just your change in y. And then you divide that by your change in x. So in the example we did, h was the difference between our 2 x values. This distance was h. And that gave us the slope of that line. We said hey, what if we take the limit as this point right here gets closer and closer to this point. If this point essentially almost becomes this point, then our slope is going to be the slope of our tangent line. And we define that as the derivative of our function. We said that's equal to f prime of x. So let's if we can apply this in this video to maybe make things a little bit more concrete in your head. So let me do one. First I'll do a particular case where I want to find the slope at exactly some point. So let me draw my axes again. Let's draw some axes right there. Let's say I have the curve-- this is the curve-- y is equal to x squared. So this is my y-axis, this is my x-axis, and I want to know the slope at the point x is equal to 3. When I say the slope you can imagine a tangent line here. You can imagine a tangent line that goes just like that, and it would just barely graze the curve at that point. But what is the slope of that tangent line? What is the slope of that tangent line which is the same as the slope of the curve right at that point. So to do it, I'm actually going to do this exact technique that we did before, then we'll generalize it so you don't have to do it every time for a particular number. So let's take some other point here. Let's call this 3 plus delta x. I'm changing the notation because in some books you'll see an h, some books you'll see a delta x, doesn't hurt to be exposed to both of them. So this is 3 plus delta x. So first of all what is this point right here? This is a curve y is equal to x squared, so f of x is 3 squared-- this is the point 9. This is the point 3,9 right here. And what is this point right here? So if we were go all the way up here, what is that point? Well here our x is 3 plus delta x. It's the same thing as this one right here, as x naught plus h. I could have called this 3 plus h just as easily. So it's 3 plus delta x up there. So what's the y value going to be? Well whatever x value is, it's on the curve, it's going to be that squared. So it's going to be the point 3 plus delta x squared. So let's figure out the slope of this secant line. And let me zoom in a little bit, because that might help. So if I zoom in on just this part of the curve, it might look like that. And then I have one point here, and then I have the other point is up here. That's the secant line. Just like that. This was the point over here, the point 3,9. And then this point up here is the point 3 plus delta x, so just some larger number than 3, and then it's going to be that number squared. So it's going to be 3 plus delta x squared. What is that? That's going to be 9. I'm just foiling this out, or you do the distribute property twice. a plus b squared is a squared plus 2 a b plus b squared, so it's going to be 9 plus two times the product of these things. So plus 6 delta x, and then plus delta x squared. That's the coordinate of the second line. This looks complicated, but I just took this x value and I squared it, because it's on the line y is equal to x squared. So the slope of the secant line is going to be the change in y divided by the change in x. So the change in y is just going to be this guy's y value, which is 9 plus 6 delta x plus delta x squared. That's this guy's y value, minus this guy's y value. So minus 9. That's your change in y. And you want to divide that by your change in x. Well what is your change in x? This is actually going to be pretty convenient. This larger x value-- we started with this point on the top, so we have to start with this point on the bottom. So it's going to be 3 plus delta x. And then what's this x value? What is minus 3? That's his x value. So what does this simplify to? The numerator-- this 9 and that 9 cancel out, we get a 9 minus 9. And in the denominator what happens? This 3 and minus 3 cancel out. So the change in x actually end up becoming this delta x, which makes sense, because this delta x is essentially how much more this guy is then that guy. So that should be the change in x, delta x. So the slope of my secant line has simplified to 6 times my change in x, plus my change in x squared, all of that over my change in x. And now we can simplify this even more. Let's divide the numerator and the denominator by our change in x. And I'll switch colors just to ease the monotony. So my slope of my tangent of my secant line-- the one that goes through both of these-- is going to be equal if you divide the numerator and denominator this becomes 6. I'm just dividing numerator and denominator by delta x plus six plus delta x. So that is the slope of this secant line So slope is equal to 6 plus delta x. That's this one right here. That's this reddish line that I've drawn right there. So this number right here, if the delta x was one, if these were the points 3 and 4, then my slope would be 6 plus 1, because I'm picking a point 4 where the delta x here would have to be 1. So the slope would be 7. So we have a general formula for no matter what my delta x is, I can find the slope between 3 and 3 plus delta x. Between those two points. Now we wanted to find the slope at exactly that point right there. So let's see what happens when delta x get smaller and smaller. This is what delta x is right now. It's this distance. But if delta x got a little bit smaller, then the secant line would look like that. Got even smaller, the secant line would look like that, it gets even smaller. Then we're getting pretty close to the slope of the tangent line. The tangent line is this thing right here that I want to find the slope of. Let's find a limit as our delta x approaches 0. So the limit as delta x approaches 0 of our slope of the secant line of 6 plus delta x is equal to what? This is pretty straightforward. You can just set this equal to 0 and it's equal to 6. So the slope of our tangent line at the point x is equal to 3 right there is equal to 6. And another way we could write this if we wrote that f of x is equal to x squared. We now know that the derivative or the slope of the tangent line of this function at the point 3-- I just only evaluated it at the point 3 right there-- that that is equal to 6. I haven't yet come up with a general formula for the slope of this line at any point, and I'm going to do that in the next video.