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## Math for fun and glory

# Pi is (still) wrong

Please excuse the simple math and spelling errors. You shouldn't believe anything I say without double-checking even at the best of times. Go here: http://tauday.com/ and here: http://www.math.utah.edu/~palais/pi.html Me: http://vihart.com. Created by Vi Hart.

## Want to join the conversation?

- If radians are so great why do we spend our whole time in elementary school using degrees?(445 votes)
- As far as I know, 360 comes from the fact that the base of the Sumerian nummerical system is 60.(169 votes)

- If tau is so great didn't my math teacher doesn't know about tau? ):(51 votes)
- B-cause some people don't have the weight or the audacity to learn about tau till college. I've heard some college professors have no idea what tau is ;-)!(17 votes)

- Dose that mean pi r 2 would be 1/2 tau r 2?(21 votes)
- That's right. Written that way, it's pretty easy to imagine that that would be the formula for the area of a circle. Think of the circle as being a regular polygon with n sides for some very large n, and draw line segments from the center to each of the vertices. The area of all of those triangles put together is n times 1/2 times the base times the height of each of the triangles, or 1/2 times (n times the base) times the height. Well, the height is obviously r and n times the base of the triangle is very close to the circumference of the triangle, which is tau r, so the area is 1/2 tau r squared. Pretty easy proof when you use tau, isn't it?(48 votes)

- why did people call π, pi?(13 votes)
- π is called π because the Greek word for "circumference" is περιφέρια (when you pronounce it, it sounds like per-ee-FAIR-ee-a), and π is the first letter of that.(53 votes)

- so how is pi wrong? is it just really complex?(7 votes)
- As she says in the video, its not
**mathematically**wrong. It is just counter-intuitively defined.

The entire Tau movement basically boils down to "Why should we use an unintuitive value when its so easy to define an intuitive one (namely Tau = 2 pi)?"

They do to some extent have a point, but they are fighting centuries (millenium?) of tradition.(43 votes)

- Which is tastier? Pi or Tau?(7 votes)
- Tau, why? Pi is tasty, but 2 Pi is even tastier. Yea for Tau!! 2 Pi or not 2 Pi, that is the question.(21 votes)

- Will schools get rid of the idea of Pi and support Tau?(8 votes)
- Who can guess? There is a lot of institutional resistance in the form of textbooks and calculators and current lesson plans and everyone who learned pi who don't want to give that up. But societies are capable of making tremendous change when they feel that it's worth it. If there was a sustained body of research that showed that trigonometry and calculus were significantly easier to comprehend with a more intuitive circle constant, then I do think there would be some action.(9 votes)

- oh my is tau better and easier than pi(8 votes)
- I didn't understand how is pi wrong I understand you said pi is still 3.14159(etc.) But how is it wrong(1 vote)
- It's not that pi is wrong, but since radians are related to the circumference of the unit circle and pi is only half that circumference, it would oftentimes make more intuitive sense to use tau instead.

For example, if an angle measures 𝜏∕4 radians, we can immediately tell that that angle makes up a quarter of a circle.

The same angle also measures 𝜋∕2 radians, which tells us that it makes up half of a semicircle, which is a little harder to comprehend.(12 votes)

- Hey Vi, will mathematicians ever find an end to pi?(2 votes)
- No, we know that pi is an irrational number, which means that the digits will never end or even hit a regular pattern. And while nobody knows for certain, many mathematicians suspect that the digits of pi are even random, so that every sequence of digits no matter how long will eventually come up and that there will never be a way to predict the next digit without actually calculating it.(7 votes)

## Video transcript

Let's say you're me, and
you're in math class. And you're supposed to
be learning trigonometry, but you're having
trouble paying attention because it's boring and stupid. This is not your fault. It's not even your
teacher's fault. It's pi's fault,
because pi is wrong. I don't mean that
pi is incorrect. The ratio of a circle's
diameter to its circumference is still 3.14 and so on. I mean that pi, as a concept,
is a terrible mistake that has gone uncorrected
for thousands of years. The problem of pi and
Pi Day is the same as the problem with
Columbus and Columbus Day. Sure, Christopher Columbus was a
real person who did some stuff. But everything you learn
about him in school is warped and overemphasized. He didn't discover America. He didn't discover
the world was round. And he was a bit of a jerk. So why do we celebrate
Columbus Day? Same with pi. You learned in school that pi
is the all-important circle constant, and had to memorize
a whole bunch of equations involving it because
that's the way it's been taught for
a very long time. If you found any of these
equations confusing, it's not your fault. It's just that pi is wrong. Let me show you what I mean. Radians. Good system for measuring angles
when it comes to mathematics. It should make sense. But it doesn't, because
pi messes it up. For example, how
much pie is this? You might think this
should be one pie. But it's not. The full 360 degrees
of pi is actually 2 pi. What? Say I ask you how much pie you
want, and you say pi over 8. You'd think this should
be an eighth of a pie. But it's not. It's a sixteenth of a pie. That's confusing. You may thinking, come on, Vi! It's a simple conversion. All you have to
do is divide by 2. Or multiply by 2, if
you're going the other way. So you just have to make sure
you pay attention to which way you're-- No. You're making excuses for pi. Mathematics should be as elegant
and beautiful as possible. When you complicate
something that should be as simple as one pi
equals one pi by adding all these conversions, something
gets lost in translation. But Vi, you ask. Is there a better way? Well, for this
particular example, there's an easy
answer for what you'd have to do to make a pie
be 1 pi instead of 2 pi. You could redefine pi
to be 2 pi or 6.28. And so on. But I don't want to
redefine pi because that would be confusing. So let's use a different letter. Tau. Because tau looks
kind of like pi. A full circle would be 1 tau. A half circle would be
half tau, or tau over 2. And if you want 1/16 of this
pie, you want tau over 16. That would be simple. But Vi, you say, that
seems rather arbitrary. Sure, tau makes
radians easier, but it would be annoying to have to
convert between tau and pi every time you want
to work in radians. True. But the way of mathematics
is to make stuff up and see what happens. So let's see what happens if
we use tau in other equations. Math classes make you
memorize stuff like this, so that you can draw
graphs like this. I mean, sure you could derive
these values every time. But you don't, because it's
easier to just memorize it. Or use your calculator, because
pi and radians are confusing. This appalling notation
makes us forget what the sine wave
actually represents, which is how high this point
is when you've gone however far around this unit circle. When your radians are
notated horrifically, all of trigonometry
becomes ugly. But it doesn't have
to be this way. What if we used tau? Let's make a sine wave
starting with tau at 0. The height of sine
tau is also 0. At tau over 4, we've
gone a quarter of the way around the circle. The height, or y
value of this point, is so obviously 1
when you don't have to do the extra step of the
in-your-head conversion of pi over 2 is actually a
quarter of a circle. Tau over 2, half a
circle around, back at 0. 3/4 tau, 3/4 of the
way around, negative 1. A full turn brings us all
the way back to 0 and bam. That just makes sense. Why? Because we don't make
circles using a diameter. We make circles using a radius. The length of the radius
is the fundamental thing that determines the
circumference of a circle. So why would we
define this circle constant as a ratio of the
diameter to the circumference? Defining it by the ratio of
the radius to the circumference makes much more sense. And that's how you
get our lovely tau. There's a boatload of important
equations and identities where 2 pi shows up,
which could and should be simplified to tau. But Vi, you say, what
about e to the i pi? Are you really suggesting
we ruin it by making it e to the i tau over 2
equals negative 1? To which I respond,
who do you think I am? I would never suggest
doing something so ghastly is killing Euler's identity. Which, by the way, comes
from Euler's formula, which is e to the i theta equals
cosine theta plus i sine theta. Let replace theta with tau. It's easy to remember
that the sine, or y value, of a full tau turn of
a unit circle is 0. So this is all 0. Cosine of a full turn is
the x value, which is 1. So check this out. E to the i tau equals 1. What now? If you're still
not convinced, I'd recommend reading The Tau
Manifesto by Michael Hartl, who does a pretty thorough
job addressing every possible
complaint at tauday.com. If you still want to
celebrate Pi Day, that's fine. You can have your
pie and eat it. But I hope you'll all
join me on June 28, because I'll be making
tau and eating two. I've got pie here, and
I've got pie there. I'm pie winning.