High school statistics
Factorial and counting seat arrangements
Sal explains a tricky factorial problem about counting seat arrangements.
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- Okay, so this makes sense, but what's a good explanation for why we multiply instead of add, other than simply saying "because it gives us the right answer"?(45 votes)
- We multiply because these quantities depend on each other. If they are independent of each other we add. Hope this helps!(17 votes)
- So what if there are 5 people and 15 chairs?(19 votes)
- Switch your frame of reference - choose people for the chairs, and not chairs for the people.(28 votes)
- Can we have factorials for negative numbers?(7 votes)
- Not typically. There is a generalization of the factorial function called the gamma function, but even this doesn't give values for negative integers (though it does for all other real numbers).(9 votes)
- In this video Sal discuses how people can be arranged around a round table.
What if the table was in any other shape like a rectangle ? How can the number of arrangements be found then ?(3 votes)
- If I'm not mistaken, then you can use the same method. I don't think the shape of the table matters. But please don't depend on this answer, I'm very, very new to calculus. Just wanted to help!(7 votes)
- What if the number of seats is greater than the number of people or people must sit in a certain seat? Then how would you do it?(4 votes)
- Good question. The permutation formula works, but you need to think of it in the right way. In this instance, you can think about how many ways you can put the SEATS under the PEOPLE. If you have 5 people and 8 seats where order matters, you can put the first person in any of the 8 seats (put any of the 8 seats under person 1), the second person in any of the remaining 7 (put any of the remaining seven seats under the second person), etc. This gives 8*7*6*5*4=8!/3!= 8 P 5(5 votes)
- What about calculating 5.3! (FACTORIAL of decimal ) . .You ask google for that It gives
5.3! = 201.813275185 .
The Gamma Function can be used but is there simple explation how calculators (GOOGLE CALCULATOR) calculates it . Is there a simple algorithm ?(4 votes)
- The gamma function is given as an integral, which can be approximated by evaluating a certain exponential function at a bunch of points, multiplying each value by a certain small number, and adding them up. I suspect this is roughly how Google computes it, though (being Google) it may use a more advanced algorithm than that.
For more on approximating integrals, try starting here on Khan Academy:
- negetive numbers will also have factorials(1 vote)
- Nope, the factorial function and its non-integer counterpart, the gamma function are not defined over negative numbers.
Consider the relation n! = n(n-1)!. This is true, right?
That means (n-1)! = n!/n, right.
So if you wanted to compute -1!, then n would have to be 0 on the left hand side, right? (0-1)! = -1!
But if n is 0 then (-1)! = 0!/0, and division by zero is undefined.(7 votes)
- Why do you multiply the 3, 2, and 1 instead of adding them?(3 votes)
- It is only the factorial rule that tells us to multiply. In this case, though, adding and multiplying would work the same way; we would still get 6. But to follow the rule, we must always multiply. Hope this helps!(1 vote)
- What is something like (-2)! or even (-1 2/3)!?
Is it impossible to do this?(2 votes)
- This is a tricky question. Fraction factorials and decimal factorials (like (2/3)! or 0.23! ) can be solved using a pretty complicated function called the "Gamma Function". However, the Gamma Function does not apply to negative numbers.
That said, some mathematicians have attempted to "define" negative factorials. But most of the definitions for negative factorials are considered pretty useless for most purposes, and aren't mainstream. And if defining something is useless anyways, then why do it?
So the typical answer to your question is that factorials for negative numbers should just be treated as undefined. The Gamma Function treats them as undefined as well.(3 votes)
- How do you denote factorials?(1 vote)
- By putting an exclamation mark after the number whose factorial you want.
five factorial = 5!
eight factorial = 8!(1 vote)
- [Instructor] In this video we are going to introduce ourselves to the idea of permutations, which is a fancy word for a pretty straight forward concept, which is what are the number of ways that we can arrange things? How many different possibilities are there? And to make that a little bit tangible, let's have an example with say a sofa. My sofa can seat exactly three people. I have seat number one on the left of the sofa, seat number two in the middle of the sofa, and seat number three on the right of the sofa. And let's say we're going to have three people who are going to sit in these three seats, person A, person B, and person C. How many different ways can these three people sit in these three seats? Pause this video and see if you can figure it out on your own. Well, there's several ways to approach this. One way is just try to think through all of the possibilities. You could do it systematically. You could say alright, if I have person A in seat number one, then I could have person B in seat number two, and person C in seat number three. And I could think of another situation. If I have person A in seat number one, I could then swap B and C. So it could look like that. And that's all of the situations, all of the permutations where I have A in seat number one. So now let's put someone else in seat number one. So now let's put B in seat number one, and I could put A in the middle and C on the right. Or I could put B in seat number one, and then swap A and C. So C and then A. And then if I put C in seat number one, well I could put A in the middle and B on the right. Or with C in seat number one, I could put B in the middle and A on the right. And these are actually all of the permutations and you can see that there are one, two, three, four, five, six. Now this wasn't too bad. And in general, if you're thinking about permutations of six things or three things in three spaces, you can do it by hand. But it could get very complicated if I said, hey, I have 100 seats and I have 100 people that are going to sit in them. How do I figure it out mathematically? Well the way that you would do it, and this is going to be a technique that you can use for really any number of people and any number of seats is to really just build off of what we just did here. What we did here is we started with seat number one and we said alright, how many different possibilities are, how many different people could sit in seat number one assuming no one has sat down before. Well, three different people could sit in seat number one. You could see it right over here. This is where A is sitting in seat number one, this is where B is sitting in seat number one, and this is where C is sitting in seat number one. Now for each of those three possibilities, how many people can sit in seat number two? Well, we saw when A sits in seat number one, there's two different possibilities for seat number two. When B sits in seat number one, there's two different possibilities for seat number two. When C sits in seat number one, this is a tongue-twister, there's two different possibilities for seat number two. And so, you're gonna have two different possibilities here. Another way to think about it is, one person has already sat down here, there's three different ways of getting that, and so there's two people left who could sit in the second seat and we saw that right over here, where we really wrote out the permutations. And so how many different permutations are there for seat number one and seat number two? Well, you would multiply. For each of these three you have two, for each of these three in seat number one, you have two in seat number two. And then what about seat number three? Well, if you know who's in seat number one and seat number two, there's only one person who can be in seat number three. And another way to think about it, if two people have already sat down, there's only one person who could be in seat number three. And so mathematically, what we could do is just say three times two times one. And you might recognize the mathematical operation factorial, which literally just means hey, start with that number, and then keep multiplying it by the numbers one less than that and then one less than that all the way until you get to one. And this is three factorial, which is going to be equal to six, which is exactly what we got here. And to appreciate the power of this, let's extend our example. Let's say that we have five seats. One, two, three, four, five. And we have five people, person A, B, C, D, and E. How many different ways can these five people sit in these five seats? Pause this video and figure it out. Well, you might immediately say well that's going to be five factorial, which is going to be equal to five times four times three times two times one. Five times four is 20. 20 times three is 60. And then 60 times two is 120. And then 120 times one is equal to 120. And once again, that makes a lot of sense. If no one's sat down, there's five different possibilities for seat number one. And then for each of those possibilities, there's four people who could sit in seat number two. And then for each of those 20 possibilities in seat numbers one and two, well there's gonna be three people who could sit in seat number three. And for each of these 60 possibilities, there's two people who can sit in seat number four. And then once you know who's in the first four seats, you know who has to sit in that fifth seat. And that's where we got that 120 from.