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Community ecology II: Predators

Hank explores adaptations of predators, the evolutionary arms race between predators and prey, and various types of predation (including herbivory and parasitism). Created by EcoGeek.

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  • piceratops tree style avatar for user Tristan jewell
    If a plant was poisonous and an animal was to eat it and that animal died, would that plant be considered a predator?
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    • marcimus pink style avatar for user FlutePlayer85
      no because the plant is still being eaten for energy and still has the role of prey, the poison is just an adaptation the plant developed so it would have an advantage over its predator resulting in the plant have less predators and a greater chance of survival
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  • piceratops ultimate style avatar for user Damon B
    If you were to put all of the top preditors into a neutral terriotry. Who would come up on top?
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    • old spice man green style avatar for user Matt B
      It entirely depends on the environment and the type of perdators you put together, so there is no ultimate final answer. You can propose that large animals with greater strength and fighting power can come up (lions, tigers, rhinoceros) on top because they will not be easily defeated but if you put them in a cold environment the polar bear will win, or if you put them in water, the shark will win. Maybe you put them in a jungle and tiny exotic poisonous spiders can poison and kill the large animals and ultimately eat them and lay their eggs in their carcasses (true but gross!), while lions/tigers/rhinocerouses are unable to feed themselves on tiny insects. It entirely depends on this "neutral" territory. (See my comment for more)
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  • male robot donald style avatar for user Geetha.Ramanujam80
    can a prey be a predator
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  • starky ultimate style avatar for user sirus
    Does anything eat parasites for energy?
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  • female robot grace style avatar for user bulljayt0311
    So what is considered the "top predator" or the "king predator" of all the kinds of food chains, e.g. marine or forest?
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    • blobby green style avatar for user Mark G
      There isn't one top predator of all of the chains. In fact, when you start looking at all of the chains, they create a web or network. Let's analyze humans which, it is safe to argue are at the top of their food chain. We are omnivores that eat primary producers (plants) as well as primary consumers and secondary consumers (animals that eat plants like cows, and animals that eat other animals like sharks). If we connected all of these things into a chain, its longest version would look something like light --> primary producer --> primary consumer --> secondary consumer --> human. However, there are many things that consume humans or portions of humans (especially after we have died) as well. Take the fungi that will break us down after we are buried. Or look at the parasitic organisms that feed on us/from us to gain energy. In conclusion, it's important to not view ecological systems as something so linear. It's all connected and there is nothing that is necessarily at the "top" because things tend to be grouped into networks or webs that frequently have rings. All of life and the environment that surrounds it is a collection of atoms, these atoms get grouped in particular arrangements to make certain organisms, the organism eats and is eaten, the atoms shift and are cycled. There is no one type of organism that collects all of the atoms for itself--although we're doing a pretty good job of locking them up into our waste, but that's a topic for another time.
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  • orange juice squid orange style avatar for user Rue
    Is there a reason animals use bright colors instead of a specific color, or really dark colors to say, "I'm poisonous!"?
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  • piceratops tree style avatar for user yousef
    is fighting death a type of predator/prey cycle?
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  • duskpin ultimate style avatar for user craycray_unicorn
    How do the genes change the colors of an animal to mimic a more deadly one? How do they know what to do? Like, the Viceroy Butterfly almost looks identical to the Monarch Butterfly.
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    • winston baby style avatar for user Ivana - Science trainee
      Genes code for the expression of certain pigments. That pigments are present in the wings.
      Here is a paer saying that it is signle gene superlocus:
      which is apparently
      controlled by a single supergene locus responsible for
      coordinated differences in wing pattern, shape, and

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  • mr pants teal style avatar for user human
    On Batesian mimicry ():
    How can one species' evolution "know" what the big, bad, scarily colored predators look like? Is it just that the ones that look more like it reproduce because they're not consumed? If so, it would be very, very difficult for the species in question to evolve unless it shares a good deal of similarity at the "beginning" of the evolution to be more like the big, bad, predator. I don't get it.
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    • piceratops ultimate style avatar for user Just Keith
      What you are getting an idea of is what we may call an "evolutionary pathway" (that is not an official term). Natural works on currently existing inheritable traits -- it is a filtering process for what just so happens to be good enough to allow individuals with that version of a trait to reproduce better (often, but not always, by surviving better).

      Thus, just because a trait would greatly improve how well something survives does NOT mean the species will evolve that trait. Evolution has no plan and no goals. It only acts to filter what is already there. That is why evolution happens by baby steps.

      Say that half the population of a species looks ever so slightly like something dangerous, so that they survive and reproduce ever so slightly better than the rest of the population. At first, you probably won't notice all that much difference, But after perhaps a 100 generations, there might be 60% of the population with that trait and eventually it will be the trait that usually occurs.

      This is most easily seen in a species that has low reproductive success rates. For many species, less than one in a thousand individuals survive long enough to reproduce (this is especially true with many types of insects). So, let us say that of a particular species, normally 998 out of a thousand dd NOT survive long enough to reproduce. Then, one of their traits (say, their coloration) varies a little bit and that just so happens to cause 997 out of 1000 to NOT survive long enough to reproduce. That doesn't sound like much difference, it is only by one individual in a thousand. But, notice what DOES survive long enough to reproduce. With the normal trait there are 2 individuals per thousand, with the new slight variation there are 3 per thousand. So, that slight variation means that 50% more (even though it is only a tiny fraction of all that are born) survive and reproduce until the next generation. With those kinds of success rates, it won't take but a few hundred generations or so until the new variation has essentially replaced the original version. Now, of course, in reality it is more complicated and evolution almost always goes more slowly, but it is a fact that even if the new variation only helps out in one case in a thousand (or even less often) given enough time it can be selected and become the most commonplace trait.

      However, even with this newly favored trait, there will be a little variation. So, some of the member will, just so happen to look a little bit more like the dangerous thing, so in time this new variation will predominate. And, this process of "a little bit more" getting selected keeps happening. Then, perhaps 1 million generations later, the species looks a lot like the dangerous thing.

      So, the thing to remember it that a mimic or camouflage does NOT have to be good, all that is required is that it is better, even if only by the slightest little bit, at helping those with that version of the trait reproduce compared to those with some other version.
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  • boggle blue style avatar for user x.asper
    Is there any possibility that two species of predator can be considered prey to each other, ex. lions and cheetahs?
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- Of all the ways that species interact on this planet, maybe the one that fascinates us the most is predation. And why not? It's hard not to be captivated by say an Alaska brown bear, one of North America's apex predators, even though they get much of their nutrition from nuts and bugs and berries, but you can also tell that it's a pretty big fan of crushing the bones of other animals because of this amazingly pronounced sagittal crest, which is where its jaw muscles connect. And maybe part of why we're so fascinated by predation is because we are, in many ways, the planet's top predator, at least for now. That's how most of these guys got here, but for hundreds of thousands of years, we were preyed upon as well, not just by bears and wolves, but by viruses and bacteria and parasites because predation isn't just animal eats animal. This muskox or this bighorn sheep can also be considered predators even though they only eat plants. But perhaps what's most important to understand about predation is the evolutionary pressures that come with hunting and being hunted for thousands of years. Because of these pressures, predation has driven all sorts of truly amazing adaptations that we see all around us, from the grizzly's enormous claws and teeth to the wolves' habit of hunting in packs, as well as defensive adaptations like the speed of the pronghorn, the fastest animal in North America. In the end, the effect of predator-prey interaction is an evolutionary arms race that results in the mind-boggling amount of diversity we see in any ecosystem from the northern Rockies all the way to the African savanna. This arms race is known as co-evolution, the process by which the interactions between two species affect the evolutionary development of both. It's been going on since the Cambrian explosion more than half a billion years ago, and it will continue spawning new bursts of diversity long after we humans have eaten ourselves into extinction. And maybe we'll end up in a place like this. We tend to think of predation in terms of animals, lions hunting zebras, wolves killing sheep, hawks eating mice, but predation is much more than carnivores doing their thing. It applies to any number of interactions where one type of organism kills another for its energy. That's an important thing to note because a lot of ecology comes down to the flow of energy through nature. And every living thing needs energy to meet its twin evolutionary goals of staying alive and making lots of babies. Predators kill because they're hungry, but they're hungry because they need energy to survive and reproduce. For prey, these interactions are especially high stakes, obviously because nothing quite quashes your reproductive chances like being dead. But almost all energy on Earth starts with plants, so consider bison eating grass. That's a type of predation called herbivory, where an organism eats plants or algae to capture their energy. It may not really seem like predation to you, but bison eating grass, manatees eating seaweed, and sea urchins munching on algae, are all examples of organisms eating other organisms to ingest the energy of the Sun. There's also parasitism, another form of predation in which organisms derive energy from the host, usually harming it and sometimes killing it in the process. Hairworms, for example, devour the insides of grasshoppers and then brainwash them to make suicidal leaps into water. How exactly the waterborne worm finds its way into a grasshopper is a mystery, though larva carried by mosquitoes is a likely route. Once inside the grasshopper, the worm eats everything not essential to its host as it grows several times the length of its host's body. When only the grasshopper's head and legs remain, the hairworm is ready to reproduce. And that's when the brainwashing begins. See, hairworms breed in water, but grasshoppers can't swim. So hairworms pump their hosts full of chemicals that prompt an inescapable urge to leap into a body of water. Once the grasshopper makes the leap, the hairworm is free to burrow out of the host and find a mate. Ew. Yeah, chasing and eating a gazelle is one thing, but turning your prey into like a suicidal zombie, that, my friends, is predation. So clearly, predator and prey both have millions of years of tricks up their sleeves or stored in their DNA because everyone's ultimately playing by the same set of evolutionary rules. Whether lion or zebra, grasshopper or hairworm, or bison or grass, gaining energy while not being eaten is a prerequisite to reproductive success. So the need to survive constantly forces predator and prey to adapt weapons and defense in a never-ending evolutionary arms race. On the predator side, hunting and feeding adaptations are obvious and familiar. A wolf's keen sense of smell and flesh-ripping teeth and an eagle's sharp eyes and prey-gripping talons, other creatures like rattlesnakes use heat sensing organs to seek out small rodents and toxic venom to strike them dead. But this is where co-evolution takes the stage to give the prey a stake in the evolutionary arms race too. Since being caught by a predator is kind of terrible for anything that hopes to spread its genes, species have adapted all sorts of ways to avoid getting killed. These can be broken up by what kinds of predatory behavior these adaptations are designed to avoid, namely detection, capture, and handling. To avoid detection, some prey adapt cryptic coloration, which we better know as camouflage to help a species blend into the background. Stick insects that have adapted to look like sticks, leaf insects that look like leaves, snowshoe hares that turn white in the winter to blend in with the snow and brown in the summer to blend in with the grasses are all good examples. Avoiding capture is, at times, pretty straightforward. Antelopes, for example, flee predators with great leaping speed. Others find safety in numbers, such as bison forming giant herds or herring grouping in schools. This kind of grouping certainly doesn't protect the prey from being detected, but it greatly reduces chances that any individual would get picked off by a predator, especially fit members of the group in the middle of the pack. And finally some of the coolest and most familiar adaptations are those that prevent handling. Plants are experts at these. Think of a rose's thorns or tree sap that traps insects or the branches of an African acacia tree. They're most thorny within the range of tree munching giraffes, but above where the long necks reach, there aren't as many thorns. Other plants also produce chemical weapons, such as a tobacco plant's nicotine and the tannins produced by many plants like grape vines to fend off foragers. But things get really weird when you see what animals do with this bag of chemical tricks because often these critters not only have wicked, toxic cocktails to defend themselves, many have also evolved aposematic or warning coloration. The bright contrasting colors such as yellow and black splotches of the fire salamander or the red, yellow, and black bands of the coral snake make it clear to predators that eating them would be a serious mistake. And when you think of it, nature is full of species that are black and yellow in color or red and black. We tend to avoid them at all costs. We're smart that way and so are most other predators. This of course is no coincidence, as German naturalist Fritz Muller noted in the 1870s. Unpalatable species such as cuckoo bees, yellow jackets, actually almost every kind of bee and wasp resemble each other using similar colors and patterns. He figured out that the more unpalatable prey there are that use the same color patterns, the more likely predators are to avoid all prey with that appearance in general. This defense technique is today known as Mullerian mimicry. But it turns out, unsurprisingly, some critters that look dangerous are getting the last laugh because many of them would actually be quite tasty to any predator. They just trick everyone by copying the looks of the truly dangerous species. This technique is called Batesian mimicry, and to explain it to you, I'm gonna need to sit down. I'll give you one guess to figure out who first described Batesian mimicry. That's right, it was Bates. More specifically, it was Henry Walter Bates, a 19th century British naturalist and explorer. Bates was born in 1825 to a middle-class family that paid the bills by making hosiery. He spent most of his spare time reading often about bugs, and by the young age of 18, he was a budding entomologist with a publication on beetles already to his credit. It was a few years later that he met the famed entomologist Alfred Russell Wallace. The two hit it off, and Wallace in 1847 proposed they take a trip to South America to collect insects. They would finance their travels by sending collected specimens back to England for sale to museums and private collectors. The pair set sail the following year, and after four years in the field, Wallace moved on. But Bates apparently not wanting to get into the hosiery business stayed behind, spending the next 11 years in the jungle. All told, he collected nearly 15,000 species, about 8,000 of them new to science. Just a few months after Bates arrived home in 1859, Darwin published his On the Origin of Species. Bates read it and figured he could contribute evidence to support the new theory of natural selection from his insect collection. Two years later, he presented a paper that showed how different species of butterfly developed nearly identical color patterns on their wings. For example, butterflies called Heliconiidae, which were slow moving and abundant but toxic, were nearly identical to Pieridae, which were more rare but harmless. Bates concluded that natural selection had driven the harmless butterflies to mimic the patterns on the harmful butterflies for their individual bids to survive predation by birds. The discovery helped launch Bates's career and reputation, and he went on to recount his adventures and other discoveries in a book, The Naturalist on the River Amazon, and later took a job as secretary to The Royal Geographic Society. Though Bates died in 1892, the concept of Batesian mimicry continues to fascinate scientists today. Why, for example, are so many mimics not perfect imitations of their more dangerous counterparts? Is it because perfect imitation isn't necessary to do the job, or because mimics lack the genes necessary to perfectly resemble their poisonous counterparts? Perhaps budding entomologists armed with 21st century tools will finally unlock the answers. But don't think that prey are the only crafty mimics out there. In the arms race, some predators have learned how to win food through imitation as well. You've heard me talk about snapping turtles with tongues that resemble wiggling worms to lure fish, and don't get me started about anglerfish. If predation teaches us anything, it's that nothing lasts forever, not just for prey but for every living thing because the interaction between predator and prey keeps driving evolutionary change. But the communities themselves that we've been talking about for the last two weeks don't stay the same either, of course. New tenants are always moving in to a habitat, and every now and again, a new landlord takes over. That's part of what makes the living world such a dynamic and beautiful and exciting place, and it's what we'll be exploring next week.