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Lesson 2: Seismic waves and how we know earth's structureWhy S-waves only travel in solids
Why S-Waves Only Travel in Solids. Created by Sal Khan.
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- Would s-waves not travel through liquids and gases because they are not as malleable as most solids?(10 votes)
- yes, and also it is easier for the P waves to bounce off soild than liquids.(4 votes)
- Can someone please give me a quick, simple explanation on why s-waves only travel through solids? This video is sort of confusing :/
Thank you!(6 votes)- Sal is explaining why s-waves don't travel through water or air on the molecular level...It might help to watch the previous video again. However, try thinking of it this way. When you have an earthquake or big explosion of some sort it is going to cause both primary and secondary body waves right. At this point you know that the p-waves will travel through both solids and liquids and the s-waves won't. This is where the previous video comes in handy. You can visually (in the video) see that p-waves look like the are traveling just parallel to where the explosion or earthquake took place. S-waves look like they are traveling perpendicular to the explosion or earthquake. Now, the bond strength in solids versus liquids and gasses explain why s-waves can only travel through solids. (think Newtonian physics in regards to a solid...every action has an equal and opposite reaction). Liquids and gasses can't transmit these waves in the same way because the bonds don't hold together and carry the s-waves in this perpendicular looking fashion. They just break and slide past each other transmitting a p-wave. I hope this helps. Again watch the previous video for visual differences of what the hammer is doing when it strikes the rock.(6 votes)
- Can S-waves travel through non-newtonian fluids?(4 votes)
- So if both S-waves, and P-waves are being produced, when the S-waves hit something liquid, what happens to them? If they can't travel though liquid then are they converted into P-waves? And if that is true, then do areas of the earth that don't receive S-waves during a particular earthquake or explosion receive even MORE P-waves then the rest of the Earth?(3 votes)
- If Sal "hit" the earth on the side, wouldn't it just make a compression/p wave in the direction of the hit? Or is the origin of an s wave more complex?(2 votes)
- Yes, if somebody "hit" the Earth on one side it will transmit p-waves in the direction of the hit, but it will also transmit s-waves. What he is explaining here is why we the s-waves are not going to travel through liquids or gasses. Therefore, when we detect the p and s-waves on the other side of the Earth we can calculate what the mechanical composition of our planet is.(1 vote)
- What are the covalent bonds?(1 vote)
- Valence electrons are the electrons on the outermost shell, covalent means that these electrons are shared.(2 votes)
- I didn't quite get it... S-waves only travel through solids because the bonds of the molecules in liquids are weaker?(2 votes)
- yes. The bonds break before you can get the wave going, so the actual wave would never occur.(1 vote)
- Sorry I don't get how these are transverse s-waves when you're transferring energy from right to left and expecting the particles to oscillate parallel to the direction of energy transfer. You seem to have explained that the energy from longitudinal p-waves is absorbed in solids faster than in fluids. (as the energy is used to yank other particles out of alignment)(2 votes)
- I think your on the right track but have reversed what's going on...transverse s-waves are not oscillating particles parallel to the direction of energy. That is your p-wave.(1 vote)
- Maybe this is a silly question, but I just wanted to be sure.
In the video, Sal shows the row of molecules (in the solid) above the ones he hit with the hammer get moved to left.
There isn't any difference between what he's drawing as up and down, right? So the row of molecules below would also move, and the wave would propagate in both directions?(2 votes) - Sound waves travel in solids as transverse or longtudinal(1 vote)
- Solids can transmit transverse and longitudinal waves.
Whether you want to call that "sound" is the question.
Sound is what you hear in your ears. It is the result of longitudinal waves through the air, hitting your ear.
You can send transverse waves through a solid but you can't stick your ear in a solid to "hear" them.
I don't think I'd call that sound.(2 votes)
Video transcript
In the last video I gave a
little bit of a hand wavy explanation about why S-waves
don't travel in liquid or air. What I want to do in this video
is give you a little bit more intuitive understanding
of that, and really go down to the molecular level. So let's draw a solid. And it has nice covalent
bonds, strong bonds between the different molecules. And the bonds are drawn
by these lines in between. So if I were to
hit this solid, you know I have this really
small hammer where I just hit at a molecular
level, but if I were to hit these molecules
hard enough so that they move but not so hard enough
that it breaks the bonds, then essentially what
it's going to look like is this kind
of row of molecules is going to move to the left. So you're going to have
that row of molecules moving to the left. And then the row above it
won't fully move to the left just yet, but it will
start to get pulled. So let me just draw
all of the bonds. I'm just drawing all
of the same bonds. Because these are strong bonds
that we have in a solid-- Actually, they could
be ionic bonds as well. Because they are strong bonds
that we have in this solid, they'll essentially be pulled. The top row will be
pulled in the direction of the bottom row. And so they'll start kind
of moving in that direction. And then the bottom row will
essentially recoil back. And then you fast
forward a little bit. And so then the top row
will have moved to the left. And now the bottom
row will start to move back, especially
because, remember, it's bonded to other
things down here. It's bonded to more of
the solid down here. So it would move back. And you can see this
transverse wave, you can see this
S-wave propagating. Essentially right over here
the kind of peak of the S-wave is here. Now it has moved up. Now, let's think about
the exact same situation with the liquids. In liquids you don't have these
strong ionic or covalent bonds between the different molecules. You just have these
weak kind of bonds, usually formed due to polarity. So in a liquid,
water's a good example, you just have these kind
of weaker bonds formed because water is
a polar molecule. So the kind of
half-way polar sides or the half-way positive
sides are somewhat attracted to the
half-way negative sides. So they kind of flow
past each other. But if I were to hit these
water molecules right here with my hammer,
what would happen? Well, they're definitely going
to start moving to the left. And actually, this one's going
to bump into that one, which is going to bump
into that, which is going to bump into that one. They're going to
move to the left. But these molecules aren't
going to move with them. You could view it as
it's going to break that very weak bond
due to polarity. They're going to move
away from each other. Let me draw these top
molecules in green. They're essentially just
going to flow past each other. They're going to
flow past each other. And this guy might have had also
weak bonds with stuff below it, too. I should draw it
as dotted lines. But because of the
impact here, these guys are just going to flow. They're actually going to
compress in this direction. You're going to have a
P-wave, a compression wave, go in this direction, where
this one bumps into that one, and then goes back, and then
this one bumps into that one and goes back, and then this
one bumps into that one. But the bonds aren't
strong enough, and it's even more
the case with air, but the bonds aren't strong
enough for these blue guys to take these green
guys for a ride. And the bonds are
also not strong enough for the adjacent
molecules to kind of help these blue guys to retract
to their original position. So when I talked about the
elasticity in the last video that's what I was talking about. The bonds aren't strong enough
to cause the things that have deformed to kind of
move back to where they were, and also the bonds
aren't strong enough to allow the things
that are deformed to pull other things with it. And so that's why, in general,
S-waves only travel in solid, and they won't travel
in liquid or air.