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## Class 11 Physics (India)

### Course: Class 11 Physics (India) > Unit 10

Lesson 7: Work and energy problems involving friction# Thermal energy from friction

In this video David shows how to find the energy generated by the force of friction and solves an example conservation of energy problem involving thermal energy. Created by David SantoPietro.

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- if we apply newton's first law then if we threw an object in space then that object will go on forever in the direction that we threw. At this point the displacement would be infinite right? then the work we done on that object is infinite?(17 votes)
- No, you wouldn't continuously work just because the object never stops, you only have to apply force once when throwing the object and it is that force that equals work.(4 votes)

- So when someone says that "energy changes", does that mean that energy physically from one form to another or is it just the way in which we use energy that changes, for example, say that a box is being dropped from a certain height, when the box is falling, does the energy that was stationary and had the potential to do work (PE) making the box fall(KE) or is it because the energy physically or materially changes?(7 votes)
- Hi Hafsa,

Keep going with your analogy.

When we start the box has potential energy.

When it is dropped the potential energy is converted to kinetic energy.

One minutia before the box strikes the ground the potential energy is zero and the kinetic energy has reached some maximum.

Finally we arrive at the answer to your question. When the box strikes the ground the kinetic energy is converted to heat.

Regards,

APD(10 votes)

- Why is the thermal energy equals Fk X d ?(4 votes)
- Thermal energy is due to the two surfaces (i.e Walter's fur and the ice) rubbing against each other, which is basically friction. So the work done by friction is W-Fk*d (Fk is the force of friction) and it is equal to the thermal energy.

I Hope i was clear enough!(6 votes)

- A bit confused. In the last video, we had seen that the formula (W=Fdcos(theta)) only applies to constant forces.

How is it that we are using this for friction? Wouldn't friction be a varying force?(3 votes)- no, we assume that friction is given by the equation (coefficient of friction)*normal force. That doesn't vary.

also the formula works as long as you use average force. Doesn't have to be constant(6 votes)

- How does energy change into heat? Heat is something physical, that which we can feel but energy isn't,right?

Thanks(2 votes)- Energy is in many forms. Heat is just one form of energy.

Energy changes from one form to another and so it can (and usually does) change into heat energy(6 votes)

- At14:00, I am confused for the distance that David deduced form law of conservation. Suppose the hill is more steeper, that would mean we have more distance on the horizontal but with the law of conservation we will have same values every time. This is indigestible.(3 votes)
- The hill is frictionless. it doesn't matter how steep it is, the amount of kinetic energy (speed) the penguin has at the bottom will always be the same as the amount of potential energy it had at the top off the hill. there for, if the penguin has to come to a stop, the same amount of kinetic energy must be dissipated as heat, which would take the same distance, if the coefficient of friction is still the same.(2 votes)

- At9:09, david says force of kinetic energy is equal to coefficient of kinetic energy multiplied by the normal force. But how? Can you please post a derivation or a link where he explains it?(1 vote)
- This is a good question. I have been using this formula for quite some time and have never seen a derivation either. My best educated guess would be that it was experimentally determined, meaning physicists investigated the kinetic friction force and found that it was proportional to the normal force by some factor, and they named the factor the coefficient of kinetic friction.(3 votes)

- If David is taking the force of gravity to be mg then how come he does not take the normal force to be -mg, but rather he has the normal force also equalling mg?(1 vote)
- He's using the magnitude of the normal force.(2 votes)

- why friction is considered as an internal force when we took ice to be a part of our system.why internal force doesn't do work(1 vote)
- The relative motion between the penguin and the ice block causes equal and opposite frictional forces: one from the penguin on the ice block and the other from the ice block on the penguin. But when we take both penguin and ice block to be our system, these two forces become internal to our system which means they can't change the state of the entire system (
*block+penguin*) because they cancel out.

Also, the frictional force between the penguin and the block does do work. That's how the kinetic energy of the system changes to thermal energy but the amount of thermal energy produced equals the kinetic energy that the system had. The total energy of the system remains conserved.(2 votes)

- As we've discussed that the energy is conserved. Let's say the we drop something from a certain height then at the height, it would have some potential energy but after we let go, the Potential energy then changes into Kinetic Energy but after hitting the ground does this affect earth's motion not significantly but subtly? Because F=ma so if that something hits the ground it has to exert some force on it which is then divided by the mass of earth and in the result we get a really little change in velocity. Is this actually true? I hope you understand what I explained.(1 vote)
- The earth was moving up a little bit (immeasurably small) while the object was moving down. When the collision took place between the object and the earth, the kinetic energy was dissipated as heat. The object got a little warmer, the earth got a little warmer, the air around the object got a little warmer. Sal has videos about collisions.(2 votes)

## Video transcript

- [Voiceover] This is Walter the penguin. And Walter the penguin
gets bored in Antarctica, so he likes to run, jump, and then slide across the ice to a stop. But Walter is a clever
and curious penguin, so while he's sliding, he's thinking about energy conservation
and he's confused, 'cause he knows that he
starts off over here, with some amount of kinetic energy. But he knows that he ends over here with no kinetic energy
since he slides to a stop. So he wonders, how can
energy be conserved, when he seems to be losing kinetic energy? Now if you would have asked this question when we dealt with forces,
you would have said, "Oh, well obviously, this
penguin is coming to a stop "'cause there must be
some amount of friction "between the penguin and the ice. "Maybe the ice is very slippery, "but it can't be
frictionless, or this penguin "would probably keep sliding forever. "There might be some air resistance "causing the penguin to slow down "but it's probably mostly friction "between the penguin and the ice." But we're talking about
conservation of energy here, so how can we put this
idea in terms of energy? Well, the way we do it, is we just say that this force of friction is doing negative work on the penguin. And we know the work is negative because the force of friction is directed in the opposite direction
to the penguin's motion. The other way we could see this is that, we could just use the formula
for work done by any force. That formula's f d cosine theta. If we want to find the work
done by the force of friction, we would plug in the force
of friction for our force, the magnitude of it, times the distance the penguin slid to the
right, and then this theta in cosine theta is always the angle between the force and
the direction of motion. So this penguin's sliding to the right, the forces directed to the left, you might think that's
zero, but that's not zero. Think about it, the angle between leftward and rightward is not zero, that's actually 180 degrees. So this angle would be 180
right here, or pi radians. And cosine of 180 is going
to give you a negative one, so the work done by the force
of friction on this penguin is going to be negative f k d. Negative the force of friction, times the distance the
penguin slid to the right. But this still doesn't
answer Walter's question. Where did the kinetic energy go? Friction may have done
negative work on this penguin, but where did that energy end up? And you probably have a good idea, 'cause when two surfaces rub together, some of that energy of
motion is going to get transformed into thermal
energy in those two surfaces. In other words, this sheet of ice is going to have a little
more thermal energy, it's going to heat up just a little bit. And Walter's feathery
coat is going to heat up just a little bit, and
they're going to have more thermal energy to end with, than what they started with. Just like when you rub your
hands together vigorously on a cold day to get warm, you're turning some of that kinetic
energy into thermal energy that warms up your hands. And you might be like, "Alright,
that's all well and good, "but how do we put this all together? "I mean I've got this
idea of work over here, "I've got this idea of
kinetic energy over here. "What unifying framework
lets me think about this "all in one package?" And that would be the statement
of conservation of energy, so we can say that the
initial energy of any system plus any external work
that's done on that system has to equal the final
energy of that system. In other words we could
say that Walter the penguin started with kinetic
energy, so Walter starts with 1/2 m v squared, and
we don't have to worry about gravitational potential energy 'cause Walter's not changing his height, he's just sliding straight along the ice at a horizontal level. And we can add the external
work that was done, which we've just figured that out. We know the external
work would be the work done by friction, so we'd have a minus, 'cause it was negative work, f k d, and it's negative again because this force is taking energy out of the system. We could set that equal
to the final energy, but Walter ends with no
kinetic energy, so we'd say that there's no final
kinetic energy to end with, there's no energy in
our system to end with, in which case we find out, something that might be
obvious to you is that 1/2 m v squared, the
initial kinetic energy that Walter started with, has to equal, if we add to both sides f k d, the magnitude of the
work done by friction. But some people might
object, they might say, "Wait a minute, we just said
there was thermal energy "to end with, how come
we didn't include that "in our final energy?" And the reason is, that
in this calculation here, we assumed that Walter, and only Walter, was part of our energy system. In other words, Walter, and
only his motional energy, his kinetic energy, was the only energy we were keeping track of,
that's why we said that, initially, there was just
Walter's kinetic energy. And this sheet of ice was
external to our system, not part of our system,
that's why it exerted a negative external
work, removed the energy from the system, and Walter
ended up with no kinetic energy. But there's an alternate way
to go about this calculation. You could say, "Alright,
instead of just considering "Walter and Walter alone
to be part of our system, "let's go ahead and include
the ice as part of our system." And all those places where
the thermal energy can go, like Walter's feathery coat,
if we include all the places energy can go, then there
won't be any external work. So an alternate way to
solve these problems, is to use this same formula, but now, Walter and the ice are
both part of our system. Our system would still start
with the kinetic energy that Walter had at the
beginning, that doesn't change. But now there would be no external work, not because force of
friction isn't acting, there's still a force of friction, but that's an internal force
between objects in our system. 'Cause Walter and the ice
are part of our system. So there's no external work done now. That might be a new or
confusing idea to some people, so let me just say, if
there's forces between objects within your system, then
those forces cannot exert external work and they cannot change the total energy of your system. Only forces exerted on
objects within your system from outside of your system, can change the total energy of your system. So when this ice was
not part of our system, it was exerting an outside
external force on Walter, and the energy of our system changed. We started with kinetic energy,
we ended with no energy. But now that the ice and
Walter are part of our system, this force of friction
is no longer external. It's internal, exerted between
objects within our system, and so it does not
exert any external work. It's just going to transform energies between different objects
within our system. So that's why we write this zero here, there'd be no external work
done if we choose the ice and Walter as part of our system. And this would have to
equal the final energy, and we know where this energy ends up. It started with kinetic
energy, and it ends as this extra thermal energy in the snow, and Walter's feathery coat. So I could write that as e thermal. But I know how much thermal
energy was generated, this just has to equal the
amount of work done by friction. So even though this work
done is not external, it still transfers energy between objects within our system, so when
we write that the work was negative f k d down here, we mean that the force of friction
took f k d from something and turned it into something else, and that's all we need up here. We need an expression for thermal energy. But if friction took f k d and turned it into something else, the
thing it turned it into was the thermal energy
so that value of f k d, that magnitude of the work
done, was how much energy ended up as thermal energy. People might find that
confusing, they might be like, "Wait a minute, why do we have this "with a positive here and not a negative?" Well in this work formula,
this negative is just saying that the force of friction is
taking energy from something. If you take energy from something, you're doing negative work on it. If I gave energy to something,
I'd be doing positive work. So this negative sign in the work done, just means that the force of
friction took this much energy from something, and turned
it into thermal energy. So when we want to write
down how much thermal energy did we end with, well, we ended with the amount that we took. So we took f k d, the thermal
energy ended with f k d. And I can still set this
equal to the kinetic energy that Walter started with,
and I get the same formula I ended up with over
here, because I had to. Because we're describing the same universe and the same situation, so no
matter what story you tell, you should get the same
physics in the end. And we do, but some people
prefer one to the other. Some people like thinking of friction as a negative external
work, and not including the energy within the surfaces
as part of their system. And some people like
including those surfaces as part of their energy
system, and just including that thermal energy on the e final side. Which is fine, you can do
either, you just can't do both. Either the surface is part of your system, and you include it in your final energy, or the surface is not part of your system, and you include it as external work. But you can't say it does external work and it gains some final energy over here because it's got to be
either part of your system, or not part of your system. So long story short, you
can basically just think about the thermal energy
generated by friction, as f k d, this is a formula
that'll let you solve for the amount of thermal energy generated when two surfaces rub against each other. And we can take this
idea a little further. The force of kinetic friction
is going to be equal to the coefficient of kinetic friction times the normal force
between the two surfaces. So we could rewrite this. This thermal energy
term can be rewritten as mu k times f n times d. And you might say, "Well
that's not all that remarkable, "it just looks even worse
than it did before." But if you keep going, you
realize that the normal force for something just sitting on a surface, is just going to be m times g. And we still multiply by the d, but now that we've
replaced the normal force with m g, we notice that the mass cancels. And this should blow your mind! This means, no matter what
the mass of this penguin is, if he starts with the same
speed as some other penguin that's more or or less massive, he'll slide the exact same distance. Now some people will
object, they'll be like, "Wait, a really massive
penguin's going to have "a lot of inertia, it
really wants to keep moving, "it should slide farther." But other people would say, "No, no. "The less massive penguin
should slide farther, "because it has less frictional force." But that's why it doesn't matter, these two confounding
effects exactly cancel. In other words, the more massive penguin does have more inertia,
and has more friction. And the less massive
penguin has lass inertia, but it has less friction, so
the mass ends up canceling, and all penguins, no
matter what their mass are, slide the same amount if they
start with the same speed. And this also means that two cars, a really tiny Smart Car and a huge SUV, if they've got the same tires, they'll have the same
coefficient of friction, and if they start with the same speed and slam on their brakes,
they'll both skid to a stop in the same distance. Again, a lot of people would think that the really massive
SUV has to slide farther, but that massive SUV that has more inertia also has more friction, so
it stops in the same distance as the smaller Smart Car,
that has less inertia, and less frictional force. So even though the
coefficients of friction would be the same for both cars, the force of friction's going to be
bigger for the larger car. Alright, so to wrap this up,
let's do an example problem. Let's get rid of all this. Let's say Walter steps it up, he's going to the extreme games of
sliding and he's going to slide down, starting
at the top of this ramp, that's completely icy,
this ramp has no friction. But Walter has no fear
so he goes to the top, it's four meters tall, he starts at rest. Walter slides down, speeds up, but now he hits a patch that does have friction so Walter slides across this patch, over some distance, d,
and then comes to a stop. And if we know Walter
started four meters high, and the coefficient of friction
along this path is 0.2, we could figure out what
was the distance Walter slid on this horizontal surface
before coming to a stop. So let's do this, we're going to use conservation of energy,
same formula we did before, the initial energy of our system plus any external work
done, that is to say, energy added to or
subtracted from our system, has to equal the energy that
we end up with in our system. Now what do we want to pick as our system? Personally, I like choosing
everything that could get energy as part of my system. That way, I never really
have to worry about any external work, because every
force will just be internal. So let's choose Walter, the
Earth, the ice, the snow, the incline, everything's
going to be part of our system. And let's consider our initial point to be when Walter started at rest
at the top of this incline. And our final point over here,
where Walter slid to a stop. So what kind of energy
does our system start with? Well Walter was up here, he was at rest, so he had no kinetic
energy, but he did have gravitational potential
energy, so that's m g h. And again, there was no external work done 'cause even though there
was friction down here, I'm going to include this surface
and Walter's feathery coat as part of our system, so
there was no external work done but, there will be
thermal energy generated, and it'll end up in our system. So the thermal energy
generated is going to be the force of friction, times
the distance that Walter slid across the surface that had friction, so I'm not going to include
this surface right here, 'cause there was no friction there. I'm only including this
distance right here. And we know that the force of friction is going to be the coefficient of friction times the normal force,
and then we still multiply by the distance that Walter slid. And because Walter was sliding
over a horizontal surface, the normal force on Walter
is just going to be equal to the force of gravity on Walter. So we can say m g h is going to equal the coefficient of
kinetic friction and then f n, we're going to replace with m g, since the normal force
is just equal to m g. And I still multiply by d. Again, something miraculous happens, the m's end up canceling,
Walter could have been 100 kilograms or 2 kilograms. Would have slid the same amount. Finally I can solve this for d. I'm going to say that d is going to equal g h, oh, actually. Turns out the g's cancel too! Could have done this on the
moon, wouldn't have mattered. Even if the g, the
gravitational acceleration, was different, Walter would
still slide the same amount. So I'm just going to get that d equals h, and then I divide both sides by this coefficient of kinetic
friction, and there's my result. It's really simple, in other words, h was four meters, and then I divide by the coefficient of
friction, which was 0.2, and I get that Walter's
going to slide 20 meters before coming to a stop. So recapping, when there's
a force of friction acting on an object, you can
use conservation of energy by treating that frictional surface as part of your system, in which case, you would include it as a
thermal energy on the final side. Or, not including that surface
as part of your system. In which case, you would
include the same term with a negative sign as
the external work done on your system, regardless of what you do, the thermal energy generated
in such a situation is going to be the force of friction multiplied by the distance
through which the object slides.