Physical properties of aldehydes and ketones
Where the names "aldehyde" and "ketone" come from. Physical properties of aldehydes and ketones. Created by Jay.
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- @6:00why is does propanal have a lower b.p. than acetone? You would think the reverse to be true because its slightly more positive alpha-c would form stronger dipole-dipole interaction than the ketone alpha-c would....also there would be less steric hindrance with the aldehyde to form these interactions. Shouldn't a stronger dipole interaction mean a higher boiling point?(15 votes)
- Alcohols all have higher B.P. than the corresponding ketones.
As for Propanal vs Acetone the dipole moment of propanal is 2.52 whereas for acetone it is 2.91 so ketones have higher dipole moments than aldehydes because they have the carbonyl more towards the center and thus ketones have higher boiling points than aldehydes that have the same number of carbons.(7 votes)
- i read in wikipedia that there is h-bonding in chloroform......i want to know if its true and why?(5 votes)
- Could you cite from where you've read that affirmation?
Also, I don't think we're dealing with hydrogen-bonding for chloroform, mostly because you need a hydrogen atom directly bounded to an electronegative atom to be able to form this sort of bond; and there's no such thing in the molecule of chloroform.
Anyway, you might be dealing with weak dipole-dipole bonds, but that's all.(4 votes)
- At3:45Isn't sp2 hybridized carbon (carbon with double bond) more electro negative than oxygen??(1 vote)
- It's true that a sp2 hybridized carbon is more electronegative than a sp3 hybridized carbon, but that does not mean that it is more electronegative than oxygen.(8 votes)
- Why is there no hydrogen bonding between aldehyde molecules?(1 vote)
- Because the hydrogen atom is attached to carbon instead of oxygen. If you attempt to draw the partial charge, you will see the carbon bears the partial positive charge. Hence you will see H bond in alcohol but not aldehyde.(3 votes)
- why at8:53there is h-bond? Isn't the O of the ketone attached to C? It should not be that readily soluble. Please help me !(1 vote)
- Acetone is soluable in water because of the dipole charge that is very similar to how water behaves. Since it is like water the O in ketones typically form H-bonding in water.
Also the tip of "like dissolves like" is very important because polar does not disolve non-polar molecules (ie. oil and water).(3 votes)
- why is there a difference in the boiling point between isopropanol and propanol?(1 vote)
- n-Propyl alcohol has a boiling point of 97.2 °C, and isopropyl alcohol has a boiling point of 82.5 °C.
Both alcohols can hydrogen bond, but n-propyl has a more linear shape than isopropyl.
It can pack more densely and experience stronger London Dispersion forces.
It takes more energy to separate the n-propyl molecules, so n-propyl alcohol has a higher boiling point.(3 votes)
- Are ketones always considered water soluble?(1 vote)
Ketones with 7 or more carbon atoms are relatively insoluble in water.
Ketones with 6 carbon atoms have limited solubility in water.
Ketones with 5 or fewer carbon atoms tend to be soluble in water.(2 votes)
- how do ketones have a stronger dipole moment than aldehydes? if we consider +I effect from the neighboring alkyl groups then the partial positive charge on the carbon of the carbonyl group in ketones decreases to a greater extent in comparison to aldehydes as a result of which the resultant dipole moment in ketones should decrease relative to aldehydes. why aren't we considering these factors while looking at the dipole moment and hence comparison of boiling point?(1 vote)
- The inductive effect in ketones actually helps to give the oxygen atom in a carbonyl more electron density than aldehydes. In a ketone, now not only does the oxygen gain electron density from from the carbonyl carbon, it also gains some from the alkyl groups alpha to it. Because of this small addition of electron density, ketones have slightly higher dipole moments as compared to aldehydes with similar molecular weights and thus higher boiling points. Hope that helps.(2 votes)
- Doesn't the C-H bond also give a (d-ve) charge for the hydrogen and not just an oxygen and hydrogen bond? In that case wouldn't hydrogen bonding be possible with ketones too?(1 vote)
- C-H bonds do not participate in hydrogen bonding!
There is a small δ- on the carbon and a small δ+ on the hydrogen in a C-H bond, but these bonds are so weakly polar that they are generally classified as being nonpolar.
The section of this video from about8:51-9:23addresses this.(2 votes)
- what is london dispersion force(1 vote)
- These are actually Induced Dipole-Dipole interactions amongst the Molecules.(2 votes)
Voiceover: Before we get into the physical properties of aldehydes and ketones, I just wanted to cover where the names for those functional groups come from. So, one way to make aldehydes and ketones is to oxidize alcohol. So if we start over here on the left and we have methanol, we can oxidize that to methonal over here on the right. Also called formaldehyde. And if we analyze the atoms here, one carbon on the left and one carbon on the right, one oxygen on the left and one oxygen on the right, four hydrogens on the left and only two on the right, so a loss of two hydrogens can convert methonol to methonal, and so the name of aldehyde comes from these words here. So if I write alcohol and then dehydrogenatum, which refers to the fact that we are losing hydrogens. If you look closely you can see the name for aldehyde. If you take the name al from alcohol, and then this portion of this word, and then add an e on, you get the name aldehyde. So that's the idea. You can also make ketones. So if I oxidize this alcohol on the left to propanol, also called isopropanol or isopropyl alcohol and then finally rubbing alcohol. If you oxidize this molecule, then you get this molecule over here on the right. So there are three carbons ... So a three carbon ketone is called a propanone and of course no one usually calls this propanone. This is a famous molecule. This is acetone. And the old German word for acetone ... If you spell out the old German word for acetone, it's easy to see where the word ketone comes from, right? 'Cause if I take this right here and add an e on, I get ketone. So just a little bit of insight into those names which I think is pretty interesting. In terms of physical properties, let's use these last two molecules here to describe boiling points of aldehydes and ketones. Let's take two propanol over here on the left, and let's compare the boiling point of of two propanol to acetone. So when you are talking about boiling point, you need to think about intermolecular forces, so the forces between molecules. So let's draw out two molecules of isopropanol here. Let's go ahead and draw one, so we have our oxygen, we have our hydrogen right here. Now we know that oxygen is more electronegative than hydrogen, so the electrons in this bond are going to be pulled closer to the oxygen giving the oxygen a partial negative charge and giving this hydrogen a partial positive charge. If another molecule of isopropanol comes along, let's go ahead and show that, it has the same situation, right? The oxygen is partially negative and the hydrogen is partially positive. We know that opposite charges attract. Right, so this partial positive charge is attracted to this partial negative charge, and this intermolecular force is called hydrogen bonding. So this is an example of hydrogen bonding, which we know is between hydrogen and a very electronegative atom like fluorine, oxygen, or nitrogen, and also this hydrogen has to be bonded to another electronegative atom, so here we have oxygen. So this is an example of hydrogen bonding. The strongest type of intermolecular force. It takes a lot of energy to pull these molecules apart, so it takes a lot of heat. And so the boiling point of isopropanol is relatively high. The boiling point is approximately 83 degrees Celsius. So let's compare that situation with acetone. So let's go ahead and draw out acetone here. And so here is one molecule of acetone. If we think about oxygen compared to this carbonyl carbon here, oxygen is more electronegative, and so there is going to be a polarization, right? So the oxygen is going to withdraw electron density making the oxygen partially negative. It is taking electron density away from this carbon, so this carbonyl carbon is partially positive and so we have a dipole situation. So this molecule has a dipole moment. And if we think about another molecule of acetone, right so another one has the exact same situation, right? The oxygen is partially negative, this carbonyl carbon is partially positive, and so we have an attraction between this partially negative oxygen and this partially positive carbon. So there is an attraction between these two dipoles. So we call this dipole-dipole interaction, which is another type of intermolecular force. Actually hydrogen bonding is just an example of a very strong dipole-dipole interaction. So dipole-dipole interactions are not as strong as hydrogen bonding, so molecules of acetone aren't attracted to each other as much as molecules of isopropanol, so it doesn't take as much energy to pull apart molecules of acetone, and therefore the boiling point is lower. The boiling point of acetone is approximately 56 degrees Celsius. Both of these temperatures are above room temperature, but both of these boiling points are above room temperature so at room temperature and pressure, two propanol and acetone are both liquids. Let's look at some other molecules and let's compare them here. So we have all molecules with three carbons. So over here on the left, this is propane. And the boiling point for propane is approximately negative 42 degrees Celsius, so that's well below room temperature. Room temperature is approximately between 20 and 25 degrees Celsius, and so since the boiling point for propane is well below room temp, the propane is already a gas. So this state of matter of propane is a gas here. It terms of intermolecular forces, the only intermolecular forces holding together alkanes are London dispersion forces. So let's go ahead and write that up here. Next, let's analyze an aldehyde. Right so a three carbon aldehyde, one, two, three, so this must be proponal. The boiling point for proponal is approximately 50 degrees Celsius. Once again, higher than room temperature, so proponal is a liquid. We have just analyzed acetone. Our next boiling point is approximately 56 degrees, and for both proponal and for acetone, you have the dipole-dipole interaction between molecules. So we already covered acetone. The same situation exists for this aldehyde. So we have a partial negative here and a partial positive right here, and so there is going to be dipole-dipole interaction between molecules of proponal. So we have once dispersion for our alkane, and then for our aldehyde and ketone we have dipole-dipole interaction. And then finally we have another alcohol. So instead of two propanol, this is one propanol, which has a boiling point of approximately 97 degrees. And one proponal also has of course hydrogen bonding. So we can see that the boiling points reflect the type of intermolecular force. Hydrogen bonding is stronger than dipole-dipole interaction, and so therefore the boiling points for alcohols are higher than the boiling points for aldehydes or ketones, but aldehydes and ketones have a higher boiling point than alkanes because dipole-dipole interactions are stronger than London dispersion forces. So let's look at solubility next. I just did boiling point, now lets think about solubility in water. So let's go ahead and write that. And once again, let's think about acetone as our example. And so if we draw this out, here's one molecule of acetone and I can go ahead and put my lone pairs of electrons in there on my oxygen, once again, the oxygen gets a partial negative charge so the oxygen withdraws some electron density so it gets a little more negative and this carbonyl carbon gets a little bit positive, and so we have this polarized situation in our acetone molecule. The thing about solubility and water ... I'll go ahead and draw the dot structure for water. We know that water is also polarized here, so these electrons and this bond are pulled closer to the oxygen. So these electrons are pulled closer to the oxygen giving the oxygen a partial negative, and giving this hydrogen a partial positive. So we can see there is going to be an attractive force between this partial negative and this partial positive. In terms of intermolecular forces, we should recognize that as hydrogen bonding. So this is hydrogen bonding right here. Because of that, we know that acetone is going to be soluble in water. So we have hydrogen bonding. Now one quick point that I have forgot to mention in the previous example. Some people are confused as to why molecules of acetone can't hydrogen bond with themselves, so let's go back up here and look at those two molecules again. So if I think about the possibility of hydrogen bonding here, there is a hydrogen connected to this carbon, but that's the point. This hydrogen is connected to a carbon. It is not connected to something like oxygen, which is what we had over here. So hydrogen bonding between molecules of acetone is not possible because the hydrogen is bonded to a carbon and not to something like an oxygen. So even though hydrogen bonding between molecules of acetone is not possible, hydrogen bonding between acetone and water is possible, and so acetone is going to be soluble in water. So same idea for other small aldehydes and ketones. Small aldehydes are ketones are going to be relatively soluble in water. However, as you increase the chain length, so if you think about the alkyl groups attached to either a ketone or an aldehyde, so let's just look at the alkyl groups here. As you increase the number of carbons that are bonded to an aldehyde or ketone, that increases the non-polar character of the molecule. So as you increase the chain length, you make the molecule more non-polar, and therefore you are going to decrease the solubility in water.