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Elimination vs substitution: secondary substrate
Examining which types of reactions secondary alkyl halides can undergo. Created by Jay.
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- I wish you could do more videos on how to tell the difference betweeen e1/e2 reactions(6 votes)
- Agreed. I find this a pretty good summary:
http://users.wfu.edu/wrightmw/chm122/handouts/sn1sn2e1e2%20summary.pdf(21 votes)
- I'm sorry, but I watched few videos already regarding Sn1, Sn2, E1, E2, but I still can't understand how you figure out strong base, weak base, strong nucleophile, weak nucleophile. If someone can help me out, I would be greatly appreciate it.
Thank you in advance.(3 votes)- With a few exceptions, a strong base is also a strong nucleophile, and a weak base is a weak nucleophile. In addition, a nucleophile with a negative charge is stronger than a neutral nucleophile.
Very strong bases : RO⁻, HO⁻, NH₂⁻. Examples: CH₃ONa, KOH, NaNH₂
Exceptions : tert-BuOK is a very strong base but a poor nucleophile, because of steric hindrance. I⁻ is a good nucleophile but a weak base.
Good nucleophiles : SH⁻, CN⁻, N₃⁻, RCO2⁻, X⁻. Examples: NaSH, KCN, NaN₃, CH₃COONa, NaBr
Weak nucleophiles : Solvents such as H₂O, alcohols, carboxylic acids, liquid ammonia(18 votes)
- Atit says a polar protic solvent would decrease the likelihood of Sn2 but wouldn't it also decrease E2? I thought both Sn2 and E2 favored polar aprotic solvents. 6:15(6 votes)
- Being solvated is something worse for the Sn2 because of the "hindrance" of all those things together, and you can't get bulky things to "infiltrate" to the nucleus. For an E2 it would be also bad, but not THAT bad(6 votes)
- Wouldn't SH- be a strong base ()? SH2 is a weak acid after all. 0:43(3 votes)
- It would not be a strong base. The term strong is reserved for things like NaOH and KOH. So SH- will be a weaker base than those, but stronger than a lot of other substances, like water.(3 votes)
- ...So, we are talking about a weak base or a weak nucleophile, in a polar protic solvent, and the alkyl halide is a secondary alkyl halide. To me this suits BOTH an SN1 reaction and an E1 reaction. So why did Jay say that this would occur via an SN1 reaction only? 3:00(2 votes)
- I was thinking the same thing, but atJay mentions that E1 reactions don't usually occur with alkyl halides. They usually occur with alcohols and a different base, one that is non-nucleophilic, such as the conjugate base of H2SO4. So, a weak, non-nucleophilic base, an alcohol substrate, and high temperatures will favor E1. 8:59(2 votes)
- ... I thought that the only reactions (out of SN1 SN2 E1 and E2) that could occur in a protic solvent were SN1 and E1? So how come he is treating this as an E2 reaction? 4:55(2 votes)
- You have found the exception to the rule. Ethoxide is a very strong base and will perform an E2 reaction despite the polar, protic solvent. The nucleophile/base and the substrate are more important for determining what reaction will occur than the solvent. Jay even mentions that there will be an SN2 product despite the decreased nucleophilicity of ethoxide.(2 votes)
- You should add the R/S of the molecules with stereocentres. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that 1. was R-->S 2. R--R 3. R-->S(2 votes)
- The first molecule was (R)-2-bromobutane. The product was
(S)-2-butane-2-thiol.(2 votes)
- For example at, why wouldn't the reaction go SN1/E1? You have good nucleophile, good base and even a polar protic solvent. 8:55(3 votes)
- Usually strong bases and nucleophiles favour E2 or SN2. It is true that polar aprotic solvents promote S1 and E1 reactions however, the strength of the base is the most important factor to consider!(0 votes)
- At, why is it forming a C with a double bond to the O? I thought the double bonded O functions as a nucleophile and not the OH? 11:00(2 votes)
- Athe says that the reaction would go by an Sn1 mechanism. Doesn't Sn1 only occurred in tertiary substrates? The one in the example is secondary 3:40(2 votes)
- No, 2° substrates can react via SN1 or SN2, depending on the conditions. We have two competing processes. If the nucleophile attacks faster than the leaving group spontaneously leaves, the reaction is SN2. If the leaving group leaves before the nucleophile can successfully attack, we have SN1. In this case, the methanoic acid is a very weak nucleophile, so the rate of SN2 attack is slow. Br⁻ is a good leaving group. so the rate of the SN1 reaction predominates over that of SN2.(1 vote)
Video transcript
- [Instructor] Let's look at
elimination versus substitution for a secondary substrate. And these are harder than for a primary or tertiary substrate
because all four of these are possible to start with. So, if we look at the
structure of our substrate and we say it's secondary, we next need to look at the reagent. So, we have NaCl which we know is Na plus and Cl minus and the chloride anion functions only as a nucleophile. So, we would expect a
substitution reaction, nucleophilic substitution. So, E1 and E2 are out. Between SN1 and SN2 with
the secondary substrate, we're not sure until
we look at the solvent and DMSO is a polar aprotic solvent, which we saw in an earlier video, favors an SN2 mechanism. So, SN1 is out and we're gonna think about our chloride anion
functioning as a nucleophile. So, let me draw it in over here. So, this is with a
negative one formal charge. And an SN2 mechanism
are nucleophile attacks the same time we get
loss of a leaving group and our nucleophile is going to attack this carbon in red. So, we're gonna form a bond between the chlorine
and this carbon in red and when the nucleophile attacks, we also get loss of our leaving group. So, these electrons
come off onto the oxygen and we know that tosylate
is a good leaving group. So, when we draw our product, let's draw this in here, and the carbon in red is this one, we know an SN2 mechanism means
inversion of configuration. The nucleophile has to attack from the side opposite
of the leaving group. So, we had a wedge here
for our leaving groups, so that means we're gonna
have a dash for our chlorines. We're gonna put the chlorine right here and that's the product
of our SN2 reaction. For our next problem, we have a secondary alkyl halide. So, just looking at our reactions, we can't really rule any out here. So, all four are possible, until we look at our reagent. Now, we saw in an earlier video, that DBN is a strong base, it does not act like a nucleophile. So SN1 and SN2 are out. And a strong base means an E2 reaction. So, E1 is out. Now that we know we're
doing an E2 mechanism, let's analyze the structure
of our alkyl halide. The carbon that's directly
bonded to our halogen is our alpha carbon and the carbons directly bonded to the alpha
carbon are the beta carbons. So, I'll just do the
beta carbon on the right since they are the same essentially. And we know that our base is gonna take a proton from that beta carbon. So, let me just draw in a hydrogen here. And DBN is a neutral base, so I'll just draw a generic base here. Our base is going to take this proton at the same time these electrons move in to form a double bond and these electrons come off
to form our bromide anion. So, our final product is an alkyne and our electrons in magenta in here moved in to form our double bond. For our next problem, we have another secondary alkyl halide, so right now all four
of these are possible until we look at our reagent
which is sodium hydroxide, Na plus, OH minus, and we know that the hydroxide ion can function as a strong
nucleophile or a strong base. So a strong nucleophile makes us think an SN2 reaction and not an SN1. The strong base makes us
think about an E2 reaction and not an E1 reaction. Since we have heat, heat
favors an elimination reaction over a substitution, so E2 should be the major reaction here. So, when we analyze our alkyl halide, the carbon bonded to the
halogen is our alpha carbon and the carbons directly bonded to that would be our beta carbons. So, we have two beta carbons here and let me number this ring. I'm gonna say the alpha
carbon is carbon one, I'm gonna go round clockwise, so that's one, two, three, carbon four, carbon five and then carbon six. And next we're going to translate this to our chair confirmation over here. So, carbon one would be this carbon and then carbon two would be this one. This'll be carbon three,
four, five and six. The bromine is coming out at us in space at carbon one which means it's going up. So, if I look at carbon one, we would have the bromine going up, which would be up axial. At carbon two, I have a
methyl group going away from me in space, so that's going down, so at carbon two we
must have a methyl group going down which makes it down axial. So, we care about carbon two. Let me highlight these again. So, we care about carbon two which is a beta carbon. We also care about carbon six which is another beta carbon. So, let's put in the hydrogens
on those beta carbons. At carbon two, we would have a hydrogen that's up equatorial and at carbon six we would have a hydrogen that's down axial and one that is up equatorial. So, when we think about our E2 mechanism, we know our strong base
is going to take a proton and that proton must be
antiperiplanar to our halogen. So, our halogen, let me
highlight our halogen here which is bromine, that
is in the axial position, so we need to take a proton
that is antiperiplanar to that bromine, so that carbon two, and let's look at carbon two first. At carbon two I do not have a hydrogen that's
antiperiplanar to my halogen but I do have one at carbon six. It's the one that is down axial. So, our base is gonna take that proton, so let's draw in the hydroxide ion which is a strong base and the hydroxide ion is
going to take this proton and then these electrons are gonna move in to form a double bond at the same time we get these electrons coming off onto the bromine to form the bromide ion. So, let's draw the
product for this reaction. We would have our ring and a double bond forms between
carbon one and carbon six. So, that means a double
bond forms in here. And then at carbon two, we still have a methyl group
going away from us in space. So, let me draw that in like that. So, the electrons in red, hard to see, but if you think about these
electrons in red back here, are gonna move in to form our double bond between what I've labeled as
carbon one and carbon six. Let me label those again here. So, carbon one and carbon six. Again not IUPAC nomenclature just so we can think about our product compared to our starting material. So, this would be the major
product of our reaction which is an E2 reaction. It would also be possible
to get some products from an SN2 mechanism, but since heat is here, an elimination reaction is
favored over a substitution. Next we have a secondary alcohol with phosphoric acid and heat. And we saw a lot of
these types of problems in the videos on elimination reactions. So, it's not gonna be SN1 or SN2 and we don't have a strong base, so don't think E2, think E1. And our first step would
be to protonate our alcohol to form a better leaving group. So phosphoric acid is a source of protons and we're going to protonate
this oxygen for our first step. So, let's draw in our ring and we protonate our oxygen, so now our oxygen has
two bonds to hydrogen, one lone pair of electrons and a plus one formal
charge on the oxygen. So, this lone pair of
electrons on the oxygen picked up a proton from
phosphoric acid to form this bond. And now we have a better leaving group than the hydroxide ion. These electrons come off onto the oxygen and we remove a bond
from this carbon in red which would give us a
secondary carbocation. So, let's draw in our
secondary carbocation and the carbon in red is this one and that carbon would have
a plus one formal charge. So, let me draw in a plus
one formal charge here. And now we have water which can function as a weak base in our E1 reaction and take a proton from a carbon next to our carbon with a positive charge. So, let's say this carbon right here. It has two hydrogens on it. I'll just draw one hydrogen in and water functions as a base, takes this proton and these electrons move in to form a double bond. So, let's draw our final product here. We would have a ring, we
would have a double bond between these two carbons, so our electrons in, let's use magenta, electrons in magenta moved
in to form our double bond. So, our product is cyclohexene. So, a secondary alcohol
undergoes an E1 reaction if you use something like sulfuric acid or phosphoric acid and you heat it up. For this reaction we have
this secondary alkyl halide reacting with an aqueous
solution of formic acid. Formic acid is a weak nucleophile and water is a polar protic solvent. A weak nucleophile and
a polar protic solvent should make us think about
an SN1 type mechanism because water as a polar protic solvent can stabilize the
formation of a carbocation. So, let's draw the
carbocation that would result. These electrons would
come off onto our bromine and we're taking a bond away
from this carbon in red. So, the carbon in red gets
a plus one formal charge and let's draw our carbocation. So, we have our benzine ring here. I'll put in my pi electrons and the carbon in red is this one, so that carbon gets a
plus one formal charge. This is a secondary carbocation but it's also a benzylic carbocation. So, the positive charge
is actually de-localized because of the pi electrons on the ring. So, this is more stable than
most secondary carbocations. Next, if we're thinking
an SN1 type mechanism, this would be our electrophile, our carbocation is our electrophile and our nucleophile would be formic acid. And we saw in an earlier video how the carbonyl oxygen is actually more nucleophilic
than this oxygen. So, a lone pair of electrons
on the carbonyl oxygen would attack our carbon in red. And we would end up with, let's go ahead and draw in the result of our nucleophilic attack, and I won't go through all
the steps of the mechanisms since I cover this in great
detail in an earlier video. So, this is from our SN1,
SN2 final summary video. So, let me draw in what
we would form in here. So, this would be carbon
double bonded to an oxygen and this would be a hydrogen. So, this is our product and this carbon is a chiral center and because
this is an SN1 type mechanism and we have planer geometry
in our carbocation, our nucleophile can
attack from either side and we're gonna end up
with a mix of enantiomers. So again, for more
details on this mechanism, I skipped a few steps here, please watch the SN1,
SN2 final summary video. Next, let's think about what
else could possibly happen. So, SN2 is out, we formed a carbocation, E1 is possible because we
have a carbocation here and we also have a weak base present. So, our weak base could
be something like water, and I'll just draw a generic base in here, and let's draw in a proton on this carbon. So, our base could take this proton here and these electrons would
move in to form a double bond. So, another possible product, we would have our benzine ring, so I'll draw that in, and then we would have a double bond. So, another possibility
is an E1 mechanism.