- Optimal angle for a projectile part 1: Components of initial velocity
- Optimal angle for a projectile part 2: Hangtime
- Optimal angle for a projectile part 3: Horizontal distance as a function of angle (and speed)
- Optimal angle for a projectile part 4: Finding the optimal angle and distance with a bit of calculus
Optimal angle for a projectile part 4: Finding the optimal angle and distance with a bit of calculus
Created by Sal Khan.
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- why don't you use formula, that 2cos[a]*sin[a]=sin2[a]?
the formula for distance would be d=(v^2/g)sin2[a]. Wouldn't it be much easier to tell what is the optimal angle for the projectile? You know that highest value of sine is 1, then you put it into sin2a=1 > 2a=90deg > a=45deg.(50 votes)
- This is exactly how my physics teacher proved it so that he wouldn't have to use calculus.(14 votes)
- So the optimal angle for maximum distance is 45 degrees?(6 votes)
- However this does not take in account other variables such as air resistance, wind etc. So in school physics, yes, in real world, not so much.(29 votes)
- What is the optimal angle and distance on an incline(9 votes)
- The optimal angle would vary with how steep the incline is. I am pretty certain that the optimal angle will be at least 45 degrees. As the incline gets steeper the optimal angle will get bigger.(3 votes)
- does optimal angle change if you include air resistance?(6 votes)
- Yeah, it definitely would. That's why in golf, javelin, shot put, etc they don't go just firing everything at 45 degrees. You tend to throw things at a lower angle with air resistance.(8 votes)
- I understand the math as to why the optimal angle is 45 degrees, but can someone explain the physics behind it?(1 vote)
- It's about having the projectile traveling as fast as possible, for as long as possible. If the angle is bigger, the projectile will be a lot of time in the air, but traveling really slowly. If the angle is smaller, it will travel faster but fall too soon.
Imagine you want to have a rectangle with the most area you can, but it's height + weight has to be equal to x. How do you draw your rectangle?(11 votes)
- 45 degrees is the optimal angle for max distance, how do we find the angle for max distance when the projectile is launched from a different height than it lands?(6 votes)
- This is a pretty tough question, because the derivation for the max distance is much harder because you don't have a simplified formula for time to work with anymore (since there is an initial value for y0). However, it seems to me that if you have a height that it lands at that is lower than your initial height it is fired at, then having an angle that is lower than 45 degrees would result in the optimal maximum range. If the height that it lands at it higher, then an angle that is higher than 45 degrees would result in the optimal maximum range.(2 votes)
- Are there any video's here that show me how to find the optimum angle when launching a projectile above ground level?(4 votes)
- Well, remember that
x(t) = ( s * cosθ ) * t
y(t) = h + ( s * sinθ ) * t - 1/2 * g*t^2
These are the parametric equations for projectile motion with:
s=initial speed, θ=angle, t=time, g=gravity, and what you are looking for h=initial height.
To find what you are asking for, you have to find the flight time using the quadratic formula on the y equation (to find when y=0) then input that time to the x equation to find the range. Then you can take the derivative ∂/∂θ to find the optimal θ.(3 votes)
- i do not know calculus and am unsure how Sal derived the equation to 45 degrees?i am also unsure why we used calculus.(3 votes)
- When he plugs in the values for s^2/g why does he write g as 10m/s^2 instead of -10 m/s^2. Is the acceleration not downward?(3 votes)
- You are right! that he should have written -10m/s^2 but you see either way the answer was going to be the same, that is +10m , because you see it is the horizontal "Distance" that he wanted to find, as a function of theta and Distance is a Scaler quantity so no direction involved or no -ve sign, just the magnitude...Either way we would have to neglect that there is a -ve value.(3 votes)
- Why there is zero weight for a freely falling body(3 votes)
- No matter how much something weighs, gravity causes it to fall at the same rate as everything else. In a famous experiment, Galileo dropped a bowling ball and a marble from a great height, only for them to both hit the ground at the same time.
So by this principle, we can ignore the weight of the object since it has no affect on its velocity (It would however, affect the force of an object when it lands- but thats based on Force = mass * acceleration, which is relevant to this problem).(1 vote)
Now that we have distance explicitly as a function of the angle that we're shooting the object at, we can use a little bit of calculus to figure out the optimal angle, the angle that's going optimize our distance. And since we only care about angles from 0 degrees to really 90 degrees, let's constrain ourselves. So we're going to optimize things for angles between 0 degrees. So theta is going to be greater than or equal to 0 and less than or equal to 90. So let's see how we can do it. And just to get an idea of what we're even conceptually doing with the calculus, remember when you take a derivative, you are finding the slope of a line, an instantaneous slope of a line. And if you were to graph this-- and I encourage you to graph it on your own, maybe with a graphing calculator-- it will look something like this over the interval. It will look like this where that is the distance as a function of theta axis and then this would be our theta axis. And we care about angles between 0 and 90 degrees. So if you were to graph this thing, so this is 0 degrees, this is maybe 90 degrees right here. The graph of this function will look like this. It'll look something like this. It will look something like that. And what we want to do is find the angle, there's some angle here that gives us the optimal distance. So this is, right here, this is the optimal distance. And what we want to do is find that out. And when you look at the graph, and you could do it on a graphing calculator if you like, what happens to the instantaneous slope at that optimal distance? Well it's flat. The slope there is 0. So what we need to do is take the derivative of this function and then just figure out at what angle is the derivative or the instantaneous slope of this function equal to 0? And then we're done We will know this mystery angle, this optimal angle, to shoot the object at. So let's take the derivative. So the derivative, we'll just use our derivative rules here. The derivative of-- I will call it d prime I guess, or we could say the derivative of the distance with respect to theta is equal to-- we're assuming that s and g are constants, so we don't have to worry about them right now. We could just put them out front since we're assuming they're constants. And then we can do the product rule to take the derivative of this part with respect to theta. In the product rule, we take the derivative of the first function times the second function. So the derivative of cosine of theta is negative sine of theta. And we're going to multiply that times the second function. So that's times the sine of theta. And to that we're going to add the first function, which is cosine of theta times the derivative of the second function. The derivative of sine theta is cosine of theta. I know it's a little bit confusing. All we did is we took the derivative of the first one times the second one. And then we took the derivative of the second one times the first one. Let me make it even more explicitly clear. We took the derivative of this guy here, so this is the derivative with respect to theta. And we took the derivative of this guy over here with respect to theta. We took the derivative of cosine there and multiplied it by sine. Took the derivative of sine here and multiplied it by cosine. Just the product rule. Now what does this give us? We can simplify this a good bit. So we could write the derivative d prime is equal to-- we could keep this constant out there-- 2s squared over g-- times-- now negative sine of theta times sine of theta, that's just negative sine squared of theta. And then, cosine theta times cosine theta, that's just plus cosine squared of theta. Now, what we just said is we want to figure out the point, the angle at which this derivative or the instantaneous slope is 0. So let's set this thing equal to 0. So we just have to solve for theta now. Now the first thing I do to solve for theta is just divide both sides by 2s squared over g. If you divide the left-hand side by that, it cancels out with 2s squared over g. And if you divide 0 by that, assuming this isn't 0, which it shouldn't be, then you'll still get 0. So this equation simplifies to-- I'll write it in blue-- negative sine squared of theta plus cosine squared of theta is equal to 0. Now, if we add sine squared of theta of both sides of this equation, let's add sine squared of theta to both sides. We are left with-- these cancel out. Cosine squared of theta is equal to sine squared of theta. Now, both of these are going to be positive over the interval, so we're going to just take the positive square root of both of them, or the principal root of both sides of this equation. So let's do that. So you take the principal roots of both sides of this equation. You could do it that way. Actually, a more interesting way than doing it that way, is to divide both sides of this equation by cosine squared of theta assuming that it's not equal to 0 over this interval. So cosine squared of theta. You could also do it using the positive square root, the principal root, either one will work. But this is interesting because the left-hand side cancels out to 1, and the 1 will be equal to-- what's sine squared over cosine squared of theta? Well that's the same thing as sine of theta over cosine of theta squared. You have a square divided by another square. That's the same thing as the numerator divided by the denominator. That whole thing squared. And what's sine of theta divided by cosine of theta? Well that's just the tangent of theta. So we have 1 is equal to the tangent squared of theta. Or, we could take the positive square root of both sides of this equation. Tangent is positive over the interval from 0 to 90 degrees, so that's cool to do. So if you take the positive square root of both sides, you get the positive square root of 1 is 1. 1 is equal to tangent of theta. And then you take the inverse tan of both sides or the arc tan of both sides and you get the arc tan of 1 is equal to theta. And this is just a very fancy way of saying theta's the angle that if you were take its tangent, you get 1. And you could use a calculator to solve that or you might just know that by memory. This theta, the arc tangent of 1 is 45 degrees. Or if you are dealing in radians, it is pi over 4 radians. Either one of those is going to work. So our optimal angle when we shoot this thing is going to be at 45 degrees. Now, what is that optimal distance going to be when we shoot it off at 45 degrees? Well, we can just go back to our original formula. We just go back to our original formula that we derived. If we're shooting it off at 45 degrees, what is the sine of 45 degrees? The sine of 45 degrees is equal to the square root of 2 over 2. You could use a calculator for that or maybe you know it from the unit circle. The cosine of 45 degrees is also square root of 2 over 2. And if you'd actually just taken the principal roots at this stage of the equation, you'd have gotten that the cosine of theta has to equal sine of theta over this interval, and that only happens at 45 degrees. But given this. We can put this back into the original expression right up here, our original function. So the optimal distance that we are going to travel, so distance as a function-- the distance we travel at 45 degrees is going to be equal to 2s squared over g times cosine of theta, which is square root of 2 over 2. Cosine of 45 is square root of 2 over 2 time sine of theta, which is square root of 2 over 2. Well what's the square root of 2 times the square root of 2? Well that's just 2. Let me simplify this. So the square root of 2 times the square root of 2, that is 2. This 2 cancels out with that 2. And then, this 2 cancels out with this 2. So then the optimal distance you travel at 45 degrees, all we're left with is the s squared over g. Assuming no air resistance, kind of an ideal circumstance. No matter what planet you're on, how fast you do it, the best angle is always 45 degrees assuming no air resistance. And if you do it on that best angle, you're going to travel s squared over g. Going back to the original problem, if s is 10 meters per second. Let's say s was 10 meters per second. And let's say we're dealing with a world where let's say, gravity is equal to 10 meters per second squared, then according to what we've derived, your optimal distance is going to be s squared-- so it's going to be 100-- divided by gravity. It's going to be 10. And if you square meters per second, you're going to get meters squared per second squared divided by the acceleration of gravity, meters per second squared. Second squared's cancel out. You have a meter squared divided by meters. Your optimal distance would be 10 meters. Pretty neat.