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Learn the two ways that oxygen moves from the lungs to the tissues, and the three ways that carbon dioxide returns from the tissues to the lungs. Rishi is a pediatric infectious disease physician and works at Khan Academy. Created by Rishi Desai.
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- I'm a bit confused here because my teacher told us that carbon dioxide binds with the 'globin' part and oxygen with 'heme' part.Thus, there is no competition and actually, it is carbon monoxide which competes with oxygen by binding to 'heme'. Is that incorrect?(12 votes)
- Yeah got the right idea, but this doesn't mean that CO2 doesn't decrease O2's affinity for hemoglobin. Like you said, CO2 can bind to the hemoglobin subunit causing a conformational change of the protein decreasing O2 affinity for the molecule; this is known as allosteric inhibition. ALSO CO2 can react with H2O eventually leading to the creation of HCO3- and H+, the H+ protons will reduce the pH of the environment which lowers Hb's affinity for O2.
Neither of these CO2 actions included competitive binding of the heme groups, it is potentially toxic molecules such as CO, NO, and CN- that competitively bind to the heme group.(32 votes)
- At around7:45, the second equation of CO2 plus HbO2 does not seem to be a balanced equation. Where does an extra H+ on the right hand side of the equation come from? According to the reactants, shouldn't it be CO2+HbO2 = HbCOO- + O2 ??(22 votes)
- Does the RBC stop moving when all the diffusion and chemical reactions are taking place, or does it keep moving because the process is quick?(7 votes)
- At7:42, how does the reaction between CO2 and HbO2 produce an H+ ion?(4 votes)
- It's really smart of you to notice this. I didn't even see this until you asked, and I was confused too, but I found the answer online here:
Basically, CO2 forms bond with Hb by forming an amide linkage, and in forming this linkage, a hydrogen from the R-N-H2 will be kicked off...leaving a proton there .
This proton will then be able to bind with Hb, thus allosterically inhibit the binding of oxygen on Hb; thus get rid of oxygen from Hb, and deliver oxygen to the cell.(11 votes)
- How long does it take for blood to circulate when you're walking? If it is a long time, wouldn't your body be poorly oxygenated?(5 votes)
- At rest, your entire blood volume circulates through your body roughly once per minute. Activity (like walking) increases your heart rate and the blood circulates faster, depending on how vigorous the activity is.(6 votes)
- At1:10, is diffusion kind of like osmosis?(3 votes)
- Does H+ bind to the same binding site as O2? I think I've heard that the binding of H+ to Hb was allosteric? (That the binding of H+ to Hb just favors the T state [low O2 affinity state] of Hb over the R state [high affinity state]?)(5 votes)
- How many breaths does it take for O2 to leap from alveolus to erythrocyte? Does this diffusion happen really quickly, or are the molecules still worming their way through fenestrations when the lungs are taking the next breath? Seems like more breaths would increase the partial pressure and increase diffusion rate.(3 votes)
- Your questions are difficult to answer because there are some complexities to them. However, I will give you a start with my comments and the links below. In normal lungs, diffusion of oxygen on to hemoglobin happens very fast, in 0.25 seconds ( see second link on perfusion and diffusion). As that happens the partial pressure of oxygen, ppo, in the lung alveoli decreases and the ppo of the hemoglobin increases to 100%, so equilibrium has been reached and no further diffusion can occur. However, the good news is that the person exhales and inhales again and brings up the ppo of oxygen in the lungs. AND the heart contracts pushing the already loaded red blood cells out of the way bringing in new red blood cells that have a lower ppo hemoglobin ready for oxygen to be loaded on to their hemoglobin. I think of this as similar to people streaming out of a train station and jumping into taxi cabs that speed away. Each new breath is analogous to another train coming to the station. Follow these links to more complete explanations.
- What about lung cells? Do they need oxygen? Is it delivered instantly pretty much?(3 votes)
- It's explained in great detail around9:33minute mark in the following video:
- At7:20you say that protons compete with oxygen for hemoglobin binding but isn't it more like protons binding to hemoglobin change hemoglobin conformation and make it less optimal for oxygen binging since oxygen binding site is different from that of protons? Correct me if I am wrong.(4 votes)
Let's talk about exactly how oxygen and carbon dioxide come into and out of the lungs. So you know this is our alveolus in the lungs. This is the last little chamber of air where the lungs are going to interface with blood vessels. So this is our blood vessel down here. And oxygen is going to make its way from this alveolus. It's going to go into the blood vessel. And it's going to go from the blood vessel into a little red blood cell. This is my red blood cell here. He's headed out for the first delivery of oxygen that day. And he's going to pick up some oxygen. And it's going to get inside of the red blood cell through diffusion. That's how it gets inside. So the oxygen has made its way into the red blood cell. And where do you think it goes first? Well, this red blood cell is, we sometimes think of it as a bag of hemoglobin. It's got millions and millions and millions of hemoglobin proteins. So this is our hemoglobin protein. It's got four parts to it. And each part can bind an oxygen. So hemoglobin, I can shorten this to Hb. Now, oxygen is going to bump into, quite literally bump into one of these hemoglobins. And it's going to bind, let's say, right here. And initially, it's kind of tricky because oxygen doesn't feel very comfortable sitting on the hemoglobin or binding to hemoglobin. But once a single oxygen is bound, a second one will come and bind as well. And then a third will find it much easier. Because what's happening is that as each oxygen binds, it actually changes the conformation or shape of hemoglobin. And so each subsequent oxygen has an easier time binding. We call that cooperativity. Has the word, almost like cooperation in it. And an easy way to think of cooperativity, the way I think of it, is that if you're at a dinner party, you are much more likely to sit where two or three of your friends are already sitting, if you think of this as a table with four chairs, rather than just sitting at a table by yourself being the first one to sit there. So we kind of like sitting with our friends and oxygen is kind of a friendly molecule. And so it also likes to sit where or bind where other oxygens have already bound. What are the two, then, major ways, based on this diagram, how I've drawn it. What are the two major ways that oxygen is going to be transported in the blood? One is hemoglobin binding oxygen. And we call that HbO2. Just Hb for hemoglobin, O2 for oxygen. And this molecule, or this enzyme, then, is not really called hemoglobin anymore. Technically, it's called oxyhemoglobin. That's the name for it. And another way that you can actually transport oxygen around is, that some of this oxygen-- I actually underlined it there-- is dissolved, O2 is dissolved in plasma. So some of the oxygen actually just gets dissolved right into the plasma. And that's how it gets moved around. Now, the majority, the vast majority of it is actually going to be moved through binding to hemoglobin. So just a little bit is dissolved in the plasma. The majority is bound to hemoglobin. So this red blood cell goes off to do its delivery. Let's say, it's delivering some oxygen out here. And there is a tissue cell. And, of course, it doesn't know where it's going to go that day. But it's going to go wherever its blood flow takes it. So let's say, it takes a pass over to this thigh cell in your, let's say, upper thigh. So this thigh cell has been making CO2. And remember, sometimes we think of CO2 as being made only when the muscle has been working. But you could be napping. You could be doing whatever. And this CO2 is still being made because cellular respiration is always happening. So this red blood cell has moved into the capillary right by this thigh cell. So you've got a situation like this where now some of the CO2 is going to diffuse into the red blood cell like that. And what happens once it gets down there? So let me draw out, now, a large version of the red blood cell. Just so you get a closer view of what's going on. And we're in the thigh and the two big conditions in the thigh that we have to keep in mind. One is that you have a high amount of CO2 or partial pressure of CO2. And this is dissolved in the blood. And the other is that you have a low amount of oxygen, not too much oxygen in those tissues. So let's focus on that second point. If there's not too much oxygen in the tissues, and we know that the hemoglobin is kind of constantly bumping into oxygen molecules and binding them. And they fall off and new ones bind. So it's kind of a dynamic process. Now, when there's not too much oxygen around, these oxygen molecules are going to fall off as they always do in a dynamic situation. Except new ones are not going to bind. Because there's so little oxygen around in the area, that less and less oxygen is free and is available to bump into hemoglobin and bind to it. So you're going to literally start getting some oxygen that falls off the hemoglobin simply because the partial pressure of oxygen is low. So one reason for oxygen to come into the cells is going to be a low pO2. That's one reason. So these are reasons-- and I'm going to give you another one, that's why I'm writing reasons-- for O2 delivery. So one of them is going to be simply not having too much oxygen in that area. A second reason has to do with CO2 itself. So let's actually follow what happens once CO2 starts getting into the red blood cell. Now, this first CO2 molecule, it's going to meet up with a little water. Remember, there's a lot of water in the red blood cell. In fact, there's water all over the blood. In fact, it's made of mostly water. And so it's not too hard to imagine that a water molecule might bump into this CO2. And there's an enzyme called carbonic anhydrase. And what it does is, it combines the water and the CO2 into what we call H2CO3, or carbonic acid. Now, if it's an acid, try to keep in mind what acids do. Acids are going to kick off a proton. So this becomes HCO3 minus. And it kicks off a proton. And notice that now you've got bicarb and proton on this side. And this bicarb is actually going to just make its way outside. So the bicarb goes outside the cell. And the proton, what it does is, it meets up with one of these oxyhemoglobins. It kind of finds an oxyhemoglobin. Remember, there are millions of them around. And it literally binds to hemoglobin. And it boots off the oxygen. So it binds to hemoglobin and oxygen falls away. So this is interesting because now this is a second reason for why oxygen gets delivered to the tissues. And that is that, protons compete with oxygen for-- what are they competing for-- for binding with hemoglobin. So they're competing for hemoglobin. Now I said there is another thing that happens to the carbon dioxide. So what's the other thing? Turns out that carbon dioxide actually sometimes independently seeks out oxyhemoglobin. Remember, again, there are millions of them. So it'll find one. And it'll do the same thing. It'll say, well, hey, hemoglobin, why don't you just come bind with me and get rid of that oxygen? So it also competes with oxygen. So you've got some competition from protons, some competition from carbon dioxide. And when carbon dioxide actually binds, interesting thing is that it makes a proton. So guess what happens? That proton can go and compete again by itself. It can compete with oxyhemoglobin and try to kick off another one, kick off another oxygen. So this system is really interesting because now you've got a few reasons why you have oxygen delivery. You've got protons competing. You've got now CO2 competing with oxygen. So you've got a couple of sources of competition. And you've got, of course, just simply the fact that there's just not too much oxygen around. So these are reasons for oxygen delivery. So at this point, you've got oxygen that's delivered to the cells. And these hemoglobin molecules, they're still our cell, of course, inside of a red blood cell. And these hemoglobin molecules have now been bound by different things. So they're no longer bound by oxygen. So you can't really call them oxyhemoglobin anymore. Instead they have protons on them like this. And they might have some COO minus on them. So they might have-- actually, let me do that in the original kind of orangey color. So they basically have different things binding to them. And as a result, the oxygen is now gone. And our system, so far, looks good. But let me actually now turn it around. And let's ask the question, how do we carry carbon dioxide from the thigh back to the lung? Let me start out by actually replacing the word thigh with lung. So now, our blood has traveled back to the lung. And the question is, how much carbon dioxide did it bring with it? And in what different forms did that carbon dioxide come? So we've got a couple of situations. We've got a high amount of oxygen here. And we've got a low amount of CO2. So really quite different than what was happening in the thigh. So when the blood is leaving the thigh headed back to the lung, what's it got with it? Well, it's got a few things. One is that it's got hemoglobin that is bound to carbon dioxide. And this is actually called carbaminohemoglobin. And then, it's also got some protons that are bound to hemoglobin. So the protons themselves are attached to hemoglobin. And just keep in mind that for every proton that's attached to hemoglobin, you've also got a bicarb dissolved in the plasma. Because it's a one-to-one ratio of these things. So you've got a bunch of bicarb in the plasma as well. And I'm writing in parentheses just so we don't forget that point. And finally, what else is in the blood? We've got some CO2 that just gets dissolved right into the plasma. So this is sounding a little bit like what happened with the oxygen situation, where you had some CO2 in the plasma itself. And this is what's headed back from the thigh to the lung. So now in the lung, what happens? You've got all this stuff with you. And the first thing that happens is that, you've got a lot of oxygen, now, in the area. A lot of oxygen in the tissue of the lung. And it diffuses into the cell, goes into the cell. And the oxygen is, because there's so much of it, it's going to go and try to sit in these hemoglobins. It's going to try to find its spot. And if it does, what it does in terms of equations is kind of the reverse of what happened before. Now you've got a lot of oxygen here. You've got a lot of oxygen here. And because these are reversible reactions, you basically push this entire reaction to the left. So now, you've got a lot of oxygen. And it basically competes for that hemoglobin again. So remember, before the protons actually ended up snatching hemoglobin away from oxygen, and now oxygen returns the favor. It says, well, I'm going to snatch that hemoglobin right back. And you've got this proton that's kind of the left out by itself. And on this side, you've got this CO2 that's kind of left out by itself. So a couple of interesting things are happening. Let me actually make sure I keep track of them up here. So what are some reasons, now, what are some reasons for CO2 delivery? How is it getting delivered back to the lungs? And the first one, probably the most obvious one, is that we said that the lungs have a low CO2 content. So simply having very little CO2 around means that whatever is there is going to diffuse into the alveolus. So you're going to get whatever's in the red blood cells going to diffuse in here. Simply because there's not a lot of CO2 around. So instead of diffusing into the red blood cell, now it's going to want to diffuse out. A second reason, though this is the more interesting reason, is that you actually have oxygen competing, oxygen competes with protons and CO2. So it's competing with protons and CO2 for hemoglobin. And that's what we drew in our equation down there. So what it does is it basically gets you back to the oxyhemoglobin. That's the first thing. And that's what we've already drawn there is that, we've drawn oxygen bound to hemoglobin. But it means that these little CO2s fall off. They fall off. These little protons fall off. And they're back in the side of the cell, back in the inside of the cell. So if you're CO2 you can, again, you can just diffuse into the alveolus. But if you're a proton, let's say you're a proton and you just fell off of the hemoglobin because it got snatched away by oxygen. Well then, this little bicarb is going to come back inside. This bicarb comes back inside. And it combines with a proton. And these two form, you guessed it, H2CO3. So they, remember, this is reversible as well. So they go back. And they form H2CO3. And it turns out that you can actually go from H2CO3 over here also using carbonic anhydrase. So you can basically just do this whole reaction backwards. And now, you can see that you've got more CO2 formed. So by having bicarb dissolved in the blood, or in the plasma, it's kind of just staying there and kind of waiting it out. And as soon as those protons are bumped off of the hemoglobin, they go and combine with them and form the CO2. So you've got CO2 coming from here, from the bicarb. You've got CO2 coming from the carbaminohemoglobin. And you've also got the CO2-- remember, we said that some CO2 dissolved in the plasma. So three different ways that CO2 is actually coming back. And once all that CO2 is in the lungs, it's going to diffuse right into the alveolus because the amount of CO2 in there is so darn low that the diffusion gradient gets it going towards the alveolus. And of these different strategies, the most important one, the one that gets us most of our carbon dioxide transportation, is this one. This middle one where the protons are actually binding hemoglobin and all that bicarbonate is dissolved in plasma. So of the three different ways that carbon dioxide comes back, that's the one you should pay most particular attention to.