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Upward and downward mobility, meritocracy

The video explores social mobility, highlighting horizontal and vertical movements within societal classes. It contrasts the caste, class, and meritocracy systems, emphasizing the varying degrees of social mobility in each. The meritocracy system, though idealized, offers the greatest social mobility. Created by Arshya Vahabzadeh.

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  • piceratops ultimate style avatar for user tian1di2 jax
    what is the usa's social inequality system? a combo of class and meritocracy?

    in india, caste still reigns supreme
    see excerpt
    As India transforms, one might expect caste to dissolve and disappear, but that is not happening. Instead, caste is making its presence felt in ways similar to race in modern America: less important now in jobs and education, but vibrantly alive when it comes to two significant societal markers — marriage and politics.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/opinion/sunday/caste-is-not-past.html?_r=0
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    • male robot johnny style avatar for user Dododeda
      In the USA, at least from what I'm seeing, meritocracy does play a role. I strongly believe in credentialism...having the proper credentials plus suitable training and work experience should automatically allow you to rise up the social class ladder (ESPECIALLY if you have a strong independent initiative). Unfortunately, however, nepotism still plays a large role in getting jobs and in the social class system in general here in the USA. I'm talking about the "who you know" factor. You always here that around here...it's all about "who you know." Well, I'm sick and tired of that. How can somebody purely get a position based on who you know alone? This is why the American capitalist system is so screwed up, and also why people with only high school diplomas are in very well-paying jobs.
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  • purple pi purple style avatar for user ScienceMon
    Why is horizontal mobility () even important? Why is it worth mentioning?
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  • leaf green style avatar for user Quin
    If a meritocracy is purely based upon ability, and specifically a person's most recent level of performance and achievement, what about people who are disabled, either temporarily (e.g. surgery, children in school) or permanently (e.g. chronic disabling disease, old age)? (rhetorical question) I imagine we would want some stability for instances like these, so is there a more ideal social construct than a meritocracy and/or is there such a thing as a conditional meritocracy i.e. where a society is meritocratic under certain conditions but not others? (actual question)
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  • blobby green style avatar for user Varla Bhatberg
    Hi! In regards to the mertiocracy pyramid...doesn't background still play a role in the pyramid? In the previous model as you go up the pyramid your resources for education, healthcare, and overall opportunity increase...so doesn't merit work with background in a way? The background gives you the ability to hone your skills..you would be at an advantage if you were in the middle versus lower class in moving up the ladder with merit...unless I should just be looking at these models in ideal conditions? Where the system is purely based off merit and just look at them as separate entities?
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  • blobby green style avatar for user arsalan1995555
    I'm a little confused about the concept of social stability. Is it a good thing to have less social stability or a bad thing? Whats an example of low social stability?
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    • male robot donald style avatar for user Stuart Dedmon
      I believe the point they are trying to make is the following; it's relatively easy for someone in the Caste System to be born rich and die rich, they don't have to do much of anything to maintain that social status. On the other end of the spectrum in the Meritocracy System your social status is 110% based on the "effort" that you put into life and the skills that you possess. I don't believe they are stating that social stability is necessarily a positive or a negative thing but rather pointing out the differences in fluidity of social stability amongst the different systems. I personally think concrete social stability is a negative thing. I believe an individual should be rewarded based on the work they put in, although someone born rich in a Caste System would most likely think differently.
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  • blobby green style avatar for user miraclesfly
    Hi,
    Do you mind clarifying what is meant by social stability? Is being socially unstable referring to the fact that one may undergo downward mobility?
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    • duskpin tree style avatar for user Jenn
      That's right. Social instability is the likelihood of moving up or down the social ladder. A manager of a restaurant may suddenly be demoted to regular staff due to poor reviews from customers and/or coworkers and vice versa.
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  • male robot hal style avatar for user Brett Kramer
    Do some economic structures result in lower levels of inequality than others?
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    • hopper jumping style avatar for user Jacob Anderson
      This is probably the question that we should ask before partaking on anymore governmental formation that occurs. This is probably the most hotly contested idea that, on some level, led to the Cold War - some believing that capitalism creates a better society independent of inequality, while others thinking communism/socialism creates a more equal society.

      I will contend that socialism/communism leads to less social inequality, although the conditions may be, on average, below the average living conditions of one in capitalism (which seems to harbor social inequality).
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  • mr pants teal style avatar for user Sarah Addison
    What is the different between vertical social mobility and intragenerational mobility?
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  • blobby green style avatar for user Joshua Park
    I disagree with this theory; what if there is not much merit and skills happening in the top class. The social stability from economic loss will be doomed for being irresponsible and illiterate in contrast to a meritocracy where they are able to maintain economic stability. That is one question where theory can have errors in contrast to the complex reality we are facing in most countries.
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  • leafers ultimate style avatar for user ff142
    currently many professional and graduate school admission and scholarship criteria/policies in North America are not an ideal meritocracy because they ask for all post-secondary transcripts/grades rather than the most recent
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Video transcript

- [Voiceover] So, in our society we have quite a number of ways in which we tend to break down society into different layers, different social layers, and one of the ways that we do that is to break up society into different classes. So, we can break society up into the Lower Class, which basically consists of a lot of people who do a lot of manual work, laborious work, often low-pay jobs. And then we have what's called the Middle Class, so these are better paying jobs often involving a lot of professionals. And right at the top we have the Upper Class, so these tend to be very wealthy businessmen, heads of industry, people with a lot of family wealth and that occupy very prominent positions, and these are called the Upper Class. And one of the things that we know is that your different class position often correlates to the amount of income that you get from your job. So, I guess one of the things that we think about when we think about these different social positions is that can we actually have movement. So, can an individual actually move around? And the answer is "yes". An individual can in fact move around these different social positions, and there's various ways an individual can move. The first way I want to mention is an individual can move horizontally. That's to say, an individual can move within the same class. So, take our gentleman with the blue hair in the middle. So, if he works as an accountant in one accounting company, if he switches job to a different accounting company, but he stays at the same level, he's essentially experiencing horizontal movement. That's to say that he's not either going up in terms of social positioning, and he's not going down in terms of social positioning. However, you could experience something called vertical movement, which is either a move up or a move down the social hierarchy. And example of this would be if he was, for example, a manager at a restaurant, and should he get a promotion and then become the CEO of a fast food restaurant, then he would then fast move into a higher sphere. However, should he get a demotion, should he experience troubles at work, and then get bumped down to just serving food and going on minimum wage, he may actually fall down from his middle class, reasonably well paid job, into the lower working class, and in that case he would experience downward social movement, downward social mobility. So, as we could see as we discussed social mobility, we can have horizontal movement and vertical movement as we have described here. There are various different types of social constructs that allow for different levels of social mobility. Historically, some societies have had what's been called the caste system. And in the caste system there has been very, very, very little Social Mobility. And you may ask why. Because in a caste system your role in life is really determined almost entirely by your background, essentially to what position you're born, and to who you are married to. So if we look at the hierarchy, first the caste hierarchy, you're really limited to the social group to which you're born. regardless of your actual aptitude and achievements. What that does often provide is a large amount of social stability, because the social structures often do not change. People's social position doesn't change throughout their life, so they remain in the same social situation with the same social network. The most common historic example of the caste system was the Hindu caste system, which was historically outlawed, but some say it's still practiced to some degree informally today. Secondly, we go on to what's called the class system. And this tends to operate in many countries today, where we have the Upper Class, the Middle Class, and the Lower Class. And the class system is a step away from the caste system because it allows for a degree of social mobility. It is in fact a combination of a person's background alongside their ability. It recognizes somebody's ability in terms of allowing them to go up or even down the social ladder. But what that actually results in that results in less social stability compared to the caste system. People can really change their social positioning throughout their life, often by means of education for example. Now finally, I want to raise a rather idealized concept of the meritocracy. And what a meritocracy is is a concept that people achieve their social position based on their ability and achievements, and solely based on their ability and achievements. So, in a meritocracy someone's position is not really determined by their place of birth, their parental background. So, this is a highly idealized state that isn't really operating anywhere in the world. Some people say the United States may be turned to meritocracy, but in an ideal meritocracy what we have is actually extreme social mobility. People are continuously going up and down depending on their most recent level of performance and achievement. So, really now instead of background, we're basically purely focused on ability and their achievement. As you can imagine, there may not be as much social stability because their relative kind of the background organization of families and social groups may be much less stable than the caste system and the class system and the purest form or meritocracy. So, as we can see here, in a meritocracy we have the greatest degree of upward and downward social mobility compared to the caste and class system.